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- Welshpool Powys
This is where we are heading or should be heading.
The demise of bagged fert
- Thread starter Kevtherev
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This is where we are heading or should be heading.
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
Bang on.
I often wonder if we could nip back a couple of centuries would the soil physically look, feel and smell better or different in any way?
Would the crops and stock look better, albeit yielding lower?
I often wonder if we could nip back a couple of centuries would the soil physically look, feel and smell better or different in any way?
Would the crops and stock look better, albeit yielding lower?
- Location
- Welshpool Powys
Probably be a riot in here by tea time.
- Location
- Ceredigion
What is it
Cab-over Pete
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- Kenilworth, Warwickshire
Are you advocating the use of bio stimulants Kev, or just using the pic as an illustration of your idea?
I know..... big words!
You could have washed your hands you grubby oik.
I know..... big words!
You could have washed your hands you grubby oik.
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- Welshpool Powys
Just using the pic to illustrate where I think we are heading with crop production.
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- Ceredigion
The problem is since all the Independent research farms were shut we have no one who can do independent research
SilliamWhale
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How do you use a biostimulant to get the N you need?
The trial results from most biostimulants hover around zero.
The trial results from most biostimulants hover around zero.
michael N123
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We loose less now than what we did
But my dad says 20-30 year ago when it was very cheap they’d put 200weight on if you couldn’t see your tyre marks in the grass when shepherding
But my dad says 20-30 year ago when it was very cheap they’d put 200weight on if you couldn’t see your tyre marks in the grass when shepherding
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- Welshpool Powys
Have a chat with your organic neighbours.
SilliamWhale
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Personally, and yes I am a layperson who doesn't on paper know his arse from his elbow: but I believe we should be actively looking to boost the level of active diversity in the soils, not continue to do something as we fear it is our only hope.
Reason that I feel this, is that I would hope we could continue to find new organisms / bacteria / fungi that can potentially help develop new Anti Biotics, as we're all f**ked without finding new ones.
Reason that I feel this, is that I would hope we could continue to find new organisms / bacteria / fungi that can potentially help develop new Anti Biotics, as we're all f**ked without finding new ones.
farmerm
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- Shropshire
I am all for this, but if someone has developed a cost effective biostimulent that reliably replaces the need for bagged fertiliser in all crops, in all soil types and in all weather conditions they have so far failed to adequately prove it or promote it...!
Alchemy: transforming base metals into gold.
This is just the modern version, where ‘visionaries’ try to sell us high margin magic potions to make fools part with their money. Think Blackadder (series 2) where Percy is trying to make gold and says “Behold! Can it be true that I hold in my mortal hand a nugget of purest Green?!”, and you’ll get the idea, on several levels.
Surely development of anything relys on people willing to be early adopters.... Moving away from the nay sayers who can potentially hold back systems of evolution.
If we all choose to ignore possibilities and cling to what we know, nay scratch that; are personally comfortable with, then surely we will remain numb to making the necessary changes we need going forward.
If we all choose to ignore possibilities and cling to what we know, nay scratch that; are personally comfortable with, then surely we will remain numb to making the necessary changes we need going forward.
Princess Pooper
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- East Mids
I have a family member who is a wheat breeder. There are of course already N fixing crops, they are called legumes. His view is that if wheat growers are happy to accept legume yields then they can have an N fixing wheat.
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- Ceredigion
Sorry what did you say ?
Bogweevil
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Happily some independent research is done in N America:
However, research at the University of Minnesota has shown that in most cases those products are ineffective and do not live up to the expectation.
When thinking about using these products we recommend doing a replicated strip trial before integrating them into your entire operation. To see these products make a difference and pay for themselves, consider contacting a local or regional Extension Educator, or your crop adviser to help you set up a trial and interpret the results.
https://blog-crop-news.extension.umn.edu/2018/12/biostimulants-what-are-they-and-do-they.html
Oh hang on a minute, that AHBD that has a disastrous effect on certain people's dander has done some research:
Across the 11 product types, there was also evidence for increased nutrient uptake (N, P or other), plant function (hormone effects, anti-transpirant effects, delayed senescence or improved photosynthesis), abiotic stress tolerance (salt, alkaline, drought or cold stress), and biotic stress tolerance (induced or physical against pathogens or pests). The majority of product type groups had at least some evidence available for these effects on cereal crops, but consistently less information available for OSR crops. Many product types also had some level of a plant protectant role against pathogens or pests. There is limited information available on the most appropriate rates, timings and
https://cereals.ahdb.org.uk/media/1134407/rr89.pdf
However, research at the University of Minnesota has shown that in most cases those products are ineffective and do not live up to the expectation.
When thinking about using these products we recommend doing a replicated strip trial before integrating them into your entire operation. To see these products make a difference and pay for themselves, consider contacting a local or regional Extension Educator, or your crop adviser to help you set up a trial and interpret the results.
https://blog-crop-news.extension.umn.edu/2018/12/biostimulants-what-are-they-and-do-they.html
Oh hang on a minute, that AHBD that has a disastrous effect on certain people's dander has done some research:
Across the 11 product types, there was also evidence for increased nutrient uptake (N, P or other), plant function (hormone effects, anti-transpirant effects, delayed senescence or improved photosynthesis), abiotic stress tolerance (salt, alkaline, drought or cold stress), and biotic stress tolerance (induced or physical against pathogens or pests). The majority of product type groups had at least some evidence available for these effects on cereal crops, but consistently less information available for OSR crops. Many product types also had some level of a plant protectant role against pathogens or pests. There is limited information available on the most appropriate rates, timings and
https://cereals.ahdb.org.uk/media/1134407/rr89.pdf
I was going to add something along those lines too, but thought better of it..... As blinkers appear all to common