Greythundercloudys
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Will this be the case, if your farms on going to get a grand why bother filling them in, l won't be filling in anything for very little in return. Unless they give me a 1000£an acre to plant half of the farm in trees.
The end of subs mean the end of forms.
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GeorgeK
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- Location
- Leicestershire
No way will any farmer get away with no forms even if they aren't collecting payments!
GAEC will still apply and the government will want all the info on hedges, manure, nitrogen, water courses etc so they can come and fine you if you break the rules.
A lot of people haven't cottoned on yet that we will still have to meet all the rules but won't get paid for doing so
GAEC will still apply and the government will want all the info on hedges, manure, nitrogen, water courses etc so they can come and fine you if you break the rules.
A lot of people haven't cottoned on yet that we will still have to meet all the rules but won't get paid for doing so
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
Dream on, I run a business not closely associated to agriculture. Last week had a letter from National statistics, not just demanding a lot of close personal information, but also a note telling me that unless I filled in the info, I could be subject to unlimited sanction. There was no compensation for providing this info.
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Would they know if you filled it up with a load of false information, how would they find out?...............your secrets safe with me.?
Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Exactly what I was about to suggest!
Greythundercloudys
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Do farmers do a cencus form in england/Wales.
Why will subs end? Agriculture (and most industries for that matter) have been subsidised for years, long before the EU was invented. The government want cheap food for the masses so they can either subsidise us for it, or bring in cheap foreign food and pay us to plant trees. Either way, fill in the form, do what they ask you to do and collect the money. In 30 years time when they discover that the cheap foreign food is killing the masses and the planet is still in a climate crisis, they'll give us a grant to rip out the trees and turn the land back to agriculture.
But yes there will always be forms to fill in.
But yes there will always be forms to fill in.
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Yes, June returns, occasionally December too. Also get a sheep inventory form in December, not that I keep sheep any more but I allways tick the box. may keep sheep in the next 12 months so keep getting the form.
The above are all compulsory, I had one just the other day on things like nutrient management and soils that I gave a quick glance over, that’s voluntary and is slowly sinking down the pile of things to do if I’m bored.
Tarw Coch
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- Location
- Bottom of Wats Dyke
That could be the one I had, does it ask about things like manure use and soil testing? I only had a quick flick through mine.
Exfarmer
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- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
I wish, but then you consider that some one somewhere, may compare this form , with that VAT form, the tax return and then thanks to my passport number, discover I was born in Sevenoaks and not Kingston Jamaica
ps I was born in neither
I havent looked past the first page yet
Greythundercloudys
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I no farmers up here who file cencus forms straight in the fire. Iv never filled one in right either just write any old rubbish down they will never know how many tons of straw lv got,
M-J-G
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Who cares.
- Location
- sw scotland
The future may be more forms as you will have to prove to different countries that our standards are equivalent to their own.
Why are farmers so anti-forms? Happy to quibble over £5/ton on some fertiliser to save £100 but wouldn't sit down for an hour to fill in some details and claim £1000?
If you look at the schemes you will get almost £2000 per acre to plant trees
Why are farmers so anti-forms? Happy to quibble over £5/ton on some fertiliser to save £100 but wouldn't sit down for an hour to fill in some details and claim £1000?
If you look at the schemes you will get almost £2000 per acre to plant trees
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Good as they will devalue your lowland arable by that much. Don't forget the government giveth and taketh away. Suckle from the govt teat - expect some sour milk.
They can't remove forms. The nation runs on red tape. Look at UK productivity.
- Location
- Ceredigion
No . But some i must obeyers will i suppose , if you feed a worm it just gets fatter
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
Oh for crying out loud! This is 2020. Some farmers appear to be stuck in 1950! Form filling and record keeping is simply a fact of modern life. Farmers have got away with far less than every other industry! Sorry to say it but anyone who seriously believes we will have less form filling in future does not have the intelligence to be running their own business!! I can not think of a single form or piece of record keeping the powers that be will want to get rid of... how about you stop keeping your accounts and submitting your tax returns, you don't get paid a sub to do them... Believe me, we have seen nothing yet, a Tsunami of new forms is heading our way.
Goweresque
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- Location
- North Wilts
How will it, if you don't join ELMS? BPS is being de-coupled from land, so there will be nothing to sign saying 'I agree to abide by all Defra's rules' as there is now. Indeed the person getting the BPS may not even have any land under their control any more. All there will be is the law of the land. For example, if you are not in receipt of any subsidy whatsoever then the law on cutting your hedges will be the Wildlife and Countryside Act of 1981. You could cut whenever you liked, as long as you did not disturb any nesting birds. Just as anyone who owns land can now, if they don't get BPS.