The fate of pesticides in soil

[jonnyjon]

Nutritionism. Ask a dietician. Bad diets not bad nutrients cause people problems

Not true, despite widespread obesity, people are starving to death due to sickness caused by nutrient deficiency, do a brix test on a vegetable and see what you get.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Not true, despite widespread obesity, people are starving to death due to sickness caused by nutrient deficiency, do a brix test on a vegetable and see what you get.

High Brix won't tell you about levels of nutrition. It tells you total soluble solids ie dissolved solids. Mainly sugars and water Levels of minerals etc are much more difficult to ascertain let alone isolate via a brix test. Its why grape farmers use them.

 

[jonnyjon]

High Brix won't tell you about levels of nutrition. It tells you total soluble solids ie dissolved solids. Mainly sugars and water Levels of minerals etc are much more difficult to ascertain let alone isolate via a brix test. Its why grape farmers use them.

What foolproof method do you use then?

 

[SilliamWhale]

What foolproof method do you use then?

Most important thing is try to have a good diet. Eat lots and lots of veg - especially those which grow above ground (ie mostly greens) that's the basis all greens have a lot of nutrition in them - I buy local and supermarket veg and grow some - I will say for the small amount more it costs in the summer the local organic veg is lovely but I buy its because its nice not because its organic, eat some fruit, good quality meat, don't mind caged or free range eggs, don't overdo the milk, porridge and seeds/nuts for breakfast, take some exercise, go easy on refined carbs etc.

Don't beat yourself up about junk food and alcohol.

As I say diet is more important than nutrition. Nutritionism is a bit of mish mash.

 

[jonnyjon]

Hallelujah. This article by Hagny explains completely all the problems I have seen growing Spring crops after big cover crops.
http://www.notill.org/sites/default/files/le_8-3_web.pdf

A major concern resulting from these studies is glyphosate’s use in terminating cover crops: For causing glyphosate injury to subsequent crops, the greatest risk is from spraying it onto a dense canopy of vegetation, be it weeds or a growing crop (either a RR crop, or a non-RR crop being terminated for replant, etc.). So, you’d prefer to avoid killing a nice thicket of cover crop with glyphosate and then planting a susceptible crop immediately into that seedbed—at least if you wanted to improve the odds that a truly vigorous crop would be forthcoming.55 Crops highly sensitive to foliar glyphosate include wheat, barley, rye, sunflowers, some of the millets, non-RR corn, oats, etc. Non-RR soybeans and some other legumes, as well as non-RR cotton, are less sensitive (and RR soys are 50x less sensitive yet), and sensitivity to root-uptake glyphosate appears to follow the same pattern amongst species.5

The bigger the cover crop, the worse the following Spring crop. That is what I have always found and now we find that glyphosate is the culprit, as I have always suspected. Uptake of AMPA reduces vigour or sometimes kills small seedlings. Glyphosate locks up nutrients, especially manganese in the plant roots and also promotes pathogenic fungi in the soil (fusarium, pithium) which cause a fair bit of harm to emerging plants. These things are worse in heavy soil where glyphosate and AMPA can hang around for months, often being re-released after being previously tied to phosphate. Yes @shakerator, it could be that glyphosate promoted damping off is effecting my peas.

Another thing he says is that heavy rain after drilling in no-till seems to cause more trouble than he would really expect, but now thinks that the rain is causing pre-drilling applied glyphosate to be released, thus effecting germination and vigour. We have all had problems with rain after drilling, what ever time of year, but @Hartwig seems to struggle with this more than any of us, what do you think?

I'm screwed so, have a field planted with pea barley mix drilled on the green into sprayed off c crop. Always knew gly was away disaster

 

[jonnyjon]

Most important thing is try to have a good diet. Eat lots and lots of veg - especially those which grow above ground (ie mostly greens) that's the basis all greens have a lot of nutrition in them - I buy local and supermarket veg and grow some - I will say for the small amount more it costs in the summer the local organic veg is lovely but I buy its because its nice not because its organic, eat some fruit, good quality meat, don't mind caged or free range eggs, don't overdo the milk, porridge and seeds/nuts for breakfast, take some exercise, go easy on refined carbs etc.

Don't beat yourself up about junk food and alcohol.

As I say diet is more important than nutrition. Nutritionism is a bit of mish mash.

I buy organic when it's available locally, veg has lost it's flavor, organic is even worse I find, brix test backs up what my taste buds are telling me, food is now nutritionally deficient garbage due to a combo of it been bred for yield, looks, chemical inputs and worn out soils

 

[Feldspar]

I'm out of the country atm. Think I have it saved somewhere. Will have a look when I get home

Thank you

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'm screwed so, have a field planted with pea barley mix drilled on the green into sprayed off c crop. Always knew gly was away disaster

Its not a disaster you just need to manage it accordingly. Try and leave a month between

I buy organic when it's available locally, veg has lost it's flavor, organic is even worse I find, brix test backs up what my taste buds are telling me, food is now nutritionally deficient garbage due to a combo of it been bred for yield, looks, chemical inputs and worn out soils

What nutrients do you think your food is deficient in?

 

[The_Swede]

‘I would encourage anyone worried about the nutrient content of their apple to consider eating two’

Or at least words to that effect... an @Guy Smith radio interview gem from a year or two back if I recall correctly

 

[Blaithin]

If one can have selenium deficient cattle because their forage is selenium deficient because their soil is selenium deficient...

Then you can absolutely have a good diet lacking in proper nutrition that leads to issues. Just because you’re eating healthy veggies and meat doesn’t mean they’re providing the same nutritional profile that that would have even 30 years ago. If the soil has been mined of nutrients then it can’t be supplying it to the plants or to anything that eats the plants.

 

[Guy Smith]

‘I would encourage anyone worried about the nutrient content of their apple to consider eating two’

Or at least words to that effect... an @Guy Smith radio interview gem from a year or two back if I recall correctly

I was rather loosely reported in the Times from a question time panel at a Nuffield conference where I said ‘ when it comes to British apples, if someone is concerned they aren’t getting enough vitamins and nutrients from just one apple I would happily recommend they eat two’.

 

[martian]

John, do you, or anyone else, have that Matt Hagny article on glyphosate downloaded anywhere? I really want to reread it but it's not on their site anymore.

Sorry, I never got back to you. If I have got it, I can't find it...

 

[Ukjay]

If one can have selenium deficient cattle because their forage is selenium deficient because their soil is selenium deficient...

Then you can absolutely have a good diet lacking in proper nutrition that leads to issues. Just because you’re eating healthy veggies and meat doesn’t mean they’re providing the same nutritional profile that that would have even 30 years ago. If the soil has been mined of nutrients then it can’t be supplying it to the plants or to anything that eats the plants.

Which is echoed by this:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/soil-depletion-and-nutrition-loss/?redirect=1