The great global warming scam, worth a listen I think.
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Sorry I've been a while replying, Ive been laughing so much my stomach was hurting
Someone talking about putting the other side of things to be fair, that's one hell of a joke. Since the 1990s the great global warming scam has been shoved down our throats constantly, no other opinion was alowed to be heard. Children had it drilled into them in schools like a religion ( all bulls**t ) then they grew up thinking the end of the world is going to happen every other day, when courageous scientists said anything against it, they were fired, ridiculed, lost their livelihoods all for lies.
All I ask anyone who looks at this thread to do is look at the evidence and make up your own mind, that is how science works, papers are looked at by others and evidence is gone through until it's found to be true, or false. ( not the case in climate change debate, the evidence if you could call it that was hidden and in some cases only released under a freedom of information request )
If there is one video that shows the whole scam in detail, it's the next one, this talk is being given in one of the largest university's in the land and every single detail was gone through, every question you could think of answered and two days after the talk the high court judged that all secondary schools should have the case against shown to all pupils in the uk and also 9 of al gores facts were proved to be false by the court aswel, please watch this as you will learn about so much hidden detail, you will be surprised. He is even questioned by sceptics after and answers every question with ease.
Every single thing I've been attacked on is answered in this vid and all sourced data is said out loud so everyone can look for themselves.
Someone talking about putting the other side of things to be fair, that's one hell of a joke. Since the 1990s the great global warming scam has been shoved down our throats constantly, no other opinion was alowed to be heard. Children had it drilled into them in schools like a religion ( all bulls**t ) then they grew up thinking the end of the world is going to happen every other day, when courageous scientists said anything against it, they were fired, ridiculed, lost their livelihoods all for lies.
All I ask anyone who looks at this thread to do is look at the evidence and make up your own mind, that is how science works, papers are looked at by others and evidence is gone through until it's found to be true, or false. ( not the case in climate change debate, the evidence if you could call it that was hidden and in some cases only released under a freedom of information request )
If there is one video that shows the whole scam in detail, it's the next one, this talk is being given in one of the largest university's in the land and every single detail was gone through, every question you could think of answered and two days after the talk the high court judged that all secondary schools should have the case against shown to all pupils in the uk and also 9 of al gores facts were proved to be false by the court aswel, please watch this as you will learn about so much hidden detail, you will be surprised. He is even questioned by sceptics after and answers every question with ease.
Every single thing I've been attacked on is answered in this vid and all sourced data is said out loud so everyone can look for themselves.
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I would dearly like to look at any evidence you can produce, other than old videos and people like Lord Monckton - a failed journalist whose first claim to fame according to some sources is that he is a "public speaker".
How many times to you need to be asked two simple things. These are, first produce a single paper published in any reputable scientific journal showing that global temperatures are falling; and second, data from any recognised (or amateur) weather station showing the same.
We all know you cannot. You must know this yourself too. Why do you keep trying to convince the world that somethjing is so just because you say so? We will all look at any evidence you can provide. YuTube videos are not evidence. Time you realised that.
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This thread was started to put another view across on a subject that is untouchable to most. I will continue to post what the hell I like regarding vids and have no interest in arguing with you every 5 mins.
I belive what I believe and you obviously don't, no skin off my nose. Others will make their own mind up if they fancy listening to an informative vid when they have a bit of time.
I have noticed the believers don't like it when others know the facts and have relied upon a bias reporting by the media for decades to get their lies out.
I've said many times before what I belive and think the temps will go down more, so you can call me on it during the next decade and I will call you out when the temps don't keep rising and the co2 level drops, so your beliefs will come into question then, not mine!
I belive what I believe and you obviously don't, no skin off my nose. Others will make their own mind up if they fancy listening to an informative vid when they have a bit of time.
I have noticed the believers don't like it when others know the facts and have relied upon a bias reporting by the media for decades to get their lies out.
I've said many times before what I belive and think the temps will go down more, so you can call me on it during the next decade and I will call you out when the temps don't keep rising and the co2 level drops, so your beliefs will come into question then, not mine!
Your right your entitled to your opinion, I can except that you take it on faith/ gut feeling.
It's just the rest of us like evidence.
I say give it ten years on the road we are on, we will know by then, (maybe sooner) then take the foot off the gas, if your right. Or slam down harder on the brakes if your not.
If co2 was proven to be a problem only extreme measures would help stop artificial globle warming. At that point after 10 more years of trying to cut down our emissions, the slow way. We may have started to slow the co2 increases with a bit of luck.
I have actually given your posts a fair shout, I don't dismiss them out of hand. It's just non of it is substantiated, and the bits that are far less so than current main stream thinking.
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I assume post #744 is addressed to me, but even if not, I totally concur with the last paragraph of Dave645's post.
Banjo has completely failed to produce any evidence whatsoever that temperatures have fallen since his claimed peak of the late 1990s - almost 20 years ago. The reason he has not is because he cannot. Temperatures have not fallen despite being two thirds of the way towards the bottom of his claimed 60 years' cycle.
There is no need to wait another 10 years because the decline is not happening and temperatures are increasing. Nobody can produce any evidence to the contrary, otherwise they would have blasted the results of falling temperatures from even one weather station across the internet. That is worrying to at least one billion people on the planet.
Personally I can take in, and benefit from, a further 2ºC increase in temperatures. I would make considerable financial gains from that. Unfortunately a billion or more people would perish or be in a very precarious situation.
Considering all that Banjo has posted - tens of hours of films of people being paid a lot of money to say what they say, I am now almost completely convinced that the current rising temperatures are directly the result of humans burning fossil fuels. Given the information in the links he has posted, I find no alternative at this stage. If someone can post even one weather station's results, or one serious paper to show that these temperature increases are not happening, or that they are due to some other cause, it is not too late to persuade me otherwise.
I have resisted this decision for more than 10 years, despite the increasing evidence, but single-handedly, one man has me falling over the brink by continually pushing out mainly old films (superceded by more recent information) of well-heeled individuals being paid large sums to make pronouncements that they fail to substantiate with evidence.
It is a sad day.
Banjo has completely failed to produce any evidence whatsoever that temperatures have fallen since his claimed peak of the late 1990s - almost 20 years ago. The reason he has not is because he cannot. Temperatures have not fallen despite being two thirds of the way towards the bottom of his claimed 60 years' cycle.
There is no need to wait another 10 years because the decline is not happening and temperatures are increasing. Nobody can produce any evidence to the contrary, otherwise they would have blasted the results of falling temperatures from even one weather station across the internet. That is worrying to at least one billion people on the planet.
Personally I can take in, and benefit from, a further 2ºC increase in temperatures. I would make considerable financial gains from that. Unfortunately a billion or more people would perish or be in a very precarious situation.
Considering all that Banjo has posted - tens of hours of films of people being paid a lot of money to say what they say, I am now almost completely convinced that the current rising temperatures are directly the result of humans burning fossil fuels. Given the information in the links he has posted, I find no alternative at this stage. If someone can post even one weather station's results, or one serious paper to show that these temperature increases are not happening, or that they are due to some other cause, it is not too late to persuade me otherwise.
I have resisted this decision for more than 10 years, despite the increasing evidence, but single-handedly, one man has me falling over the brink by continually pushing out mainly old films (superceded by more recent information) of well-heeled individuals being paid large sums to make pronouncements that they fail to substantiate with evidence.
It is a sad day.
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"well heeled individuals being paid large sums to make pronouncements".Which side would they be on then? If they are sceptics,then produce the evidence.They are not putting their views across to obtain research funding/keep them in a job.And the oil and gas companies do not need them either.
There is monetary gain on both side of this argument sure scientist want funding but they are not payed to lie if they did there funding would soon go, as well as there careers, as for sceptics they to get funding how else do they fund there time going to present to government committees to try a lobby against climate change, one in the second video had had a law suit against him funded by others so he could keep up with his claims.
Fossil fuels is a multi billion dollar industry in the USA on its own.
all that is under threat if co2 is proved to be causing damaging changes to the world, so of cause they pay people to fight climate change claims, it's what cigarette company's did for years trying to stave of the blame. Only after it was proven beyond doubt did they stop, that was meany years after the first link was shown but not proven. Lots of damage was done by them in there greed to protect there profits.....by fighting claims cigarettes damage your health.
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The oil and gas companies do not need these people to "lobby" for them.The taxes from them are what keeps the world economy going.Its not going to end suddenly.It will be driven by economics,when the dollar oil barrel price gets to a certain level,probably well above $200.Neccessity will then be the mother of invention.
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What is your view on what is happening? Do you agree with Banjo that temperatures are falling? If so, find a weather station that shows they are falling. An easy challenge, but a most difficult task. Do you think rising CO2 levels have, or do not have, an effect on temperatures?
Almost all the links Banjo has provided are from people who are paid large sums of money to just stand up and talk. Talk about anything, they do not care, they are professional talkers. For some reason they command large sums of money merely to stand there and talk. There are others, who I daresay believe in what they are saying, the man with a similar accent to me a couple of weeks ago for instance. He just wanted to publicise himself. He appeared to have little knowledge of his subject.
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How do you know they are paid large sums of money? Or have i missed something.I think temperatures may be rising but very slightly,and not as much as some people say.I dont record temps here,so have no proof.I can only talk about my little patch of Northumberland,but can remember most years from when i was a small boy,from1968 or so.Mostly the weather extremes that stick in the memory.I think it has not changed much here in the last 50 years.Obviously this may be very different world wide.CO2ppm levels are higher,they can be measured.I do not know if this leads to increased temps worldwide.I would draw your attention to where the weather stations are.The vast majority are in North America or northern Europe.Only about 8 are in Antarctica.I resent people turning climate change into a "religion",and where people are branded "deniers" much the same as religious heretics in the middle ages.I have lived through too many "scares",most of which have turned out to be nonsense,like BSE beef and hundreds of thousands people going to get CJD etc.
Long video, and quite dated. Lots and lots of stats, until you get to 23 min 50 seconds in, when he claims a 34% rise in agricultural productivity from 1990 to 2004, which he says must be largely due to increased CO2 boosting plant growth, as " we havn't invented any new agriculture in that time".
Later on shows three graphs of temperatures in California. Only areas to show warming he says, are the ones with population increases.
Which makes a change from saying mankind is too puny to have any effect on climate at all !
I think I`m more worried now about methane , than I was. It's more potent than CO2 with regard to warming, it's rising far faster than CO2 , and they're bound to pick on farming to be seen to be doing something. One way of really boosting the methane in the atmosphere is to heat the ocean floor, and also melt the permafrost, in northern hemisphere, but hey what are the chances?
Could we see the hockey stick....joking aside the perma frost melting is a possible big trigger, co2 may have got the ball rolling but the methane from the perma frost, as you say could change things even faster.
Climate change, is not just one thing it's a combination of lots, for people who think man has made no part in it, they need to look again, if city's can raise air temps by a few degrees at night and day time via road surfaces and heat emissions, that is a small but readable effect,. Add all these small things together we change things in ways that are not fully natural anymore. We have well over 100 ppm of co2 which should not be there for one it's that small 4% extra co2 we pump out that add up over time.....any artificial influence to natural processes can trigger un natural change. To then say it's not us, is done by people that have a motivation to deny it, like company's that have there industry blamed......it's very similar to the cigarette industry ploys.....deny deny deny.......
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A quick Google of "who funds climate sceptics" brings up a reading list that would keep you busy for some time
Just when I begin to despair of nailing any of this jelly to the wall, here is a cool ( !) , calm and collected hour and a bit , of reasoned argument, up-to date ( more or less) statistics and general enlightenment. Worth an hour of your time IMHO.
Mebbe skip the intro.
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It's time people realised "science" does not produce "facts", it has people analysing evidence and drawing their own conclusions. You are perfectly entitled, as am I and anyone else to disagree with what has been rammed down the publics throat as fact when it isn't, it is opinion biased, as all science is, by those analysing results and their cheque signers
Your right until it's fully understood, there is always room for opinion, but even opinion by scientists have to be backed by facts or it's not scientific,
What generally occurs when all the facts are not know, science try's to find the best fit, that explains all the known facts, that's why the majority at the moment find in unnatural climate change camp, because no natural factor explains what the facts show. It's more to do with that than just money talks. Which I am sure it dose but it's not what convinces me. Or the majority of the public that take the time to study the topic.
It's not that I think govermant policy is flawless it's not, but it's moving us in the right direction. We would be better spending our time making the greatest changes we can for the least money possible and fighting to improve the government policy's to remove any abuse of the system.
If things get bad and trends continue they may have to go to more radical and expensive policy's to avoid the worst of climate change predictions. This is maybe 10 years away when it's not just predictions, but I would rather we avoided that. No one wants to see cars getting restricted, and Energy shortages. (Energy shortages as we are unable to power a large fleet of electric cars even if we wanted too).