The great global warming scam, worth a listen I think.

dstudent

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Keep going Banjo you're not alone in this even though it must feel like it at times !
a bit of support here from 415 scientific papers published in the last year ..and 900 in the last two years that question the so called 'consensus'


'During the first 10 months of 2017, 400 415 scientific papers have been published that cast doubt on the position that anthropogenic CO2 emissions function as the climate’s fundamental control knob…or that otherwise question the efficacy of climate models or the related “consensus” positions commonly endorsed by policymakers and mainstream media'

.http://notrickszone.com/2017/10/23/...-climate-alarm/#sthash.XjjFDfS2.DKitAcY5.dpbs

there will of course be howls from all the amateur climate experts on here about what the various papers do or don't say but what can't be argued is that these show that the science is in no way settled ....
No they don t
The authors of the studies used have come back quite pi@#ed their papers have been misquoted, purposley misinterpreted and taken out of context, to drive home a specific agenda.
The blogger has not read the papers he s cherry picked bits and peices to try to make his point. Below are some the authors response to the blog and yes braits:poop:
Misuse of their research

Tyler Jones, Research Associate, University of Colorado
The West Antarctica temperature plot that was pulled from my 2017 paper is very low resolution, and does not resolve the most recent few 100 yrs. We know from other studies that West Antarctica is currently warming faster than almost any other place on Earth. Furthermore, my paper has nothing to do with global warming or human activities. In fact, I only focus on time periods well before the Industrial Revolution. It is clear that global warming is caused predominantly by human activity.

Belinda Dechnik, The University of Sydney
My data does discuss sea surface temperature in the Great Barrier Reef being slightly warmer than present during the mid-Holocene in response to natural climate variability. However, I in no way deny that the current climate is warming, and that anthropogenic effects are proving very detrimental, particularly to reef systems. This article has misunderstood my findingsand in no way supports my view on climate change. I am very disturbed indeed that these people have used my article in such a way to try and discredit the serious effects of man-made climate change.

Nathan Steiger, Postdoctoral Fellow, Columbia University
The blog post maliciously tampered with figures from my paper, removing lines from the figures. My paper is just not relevant to the arguments about global warming.

R. Scott Anderson, Professor, Northern Arizona University
Although the curve shown in the Breitbart article supports our research, the specific curve cited is not our work, but comes instead from nearby tree-ring research done by Greg Wiles and his co-workers (2014). This is clearly stated in the figure caption in our article, which could have been seen if the article had been actually read. My conclusion from this is that Breitbart was not careful in its compilation, and for me this calls into question their methods for collecting data on other articles. Our conclusions are much more complex, and suggest that post-Little Ice Age warming has occurred, and has affected forests at higher elevations to a greater extent than at lower elevations.

Yair Rosenthal, Professor, Rutgers University
The data were taken out of context. In fact a previous article (Rosenthal et al., 20013) made the argument that the current warming, as measured by the increase in Ocean Heat Content (OHC), is a reversal of the long-term cooling trend in the preceding centuries and the rate of heat gain is substantially higher than recorded in the past. If anything, these data support global warming as manifested by the recent increase in OHC.

Normunds Stivrins, Associate Professor, University of Helsinki
Our article (Stivrins et al., 2017, The Holocene) focuses on other subjects than human-induced impacts (climate change). It’s sad that the blogger did not understand what this study is about, but rather took a sentence without context. Our point was that geological aspects can protect glacial ice in the ground but it starts to melt when air temperature increases—in this case when temperature started to increase above today’s temperatures. Note that this is a specific case study where exceptional environmental conditions prevail 8,400-7,400 years ago in western Latvia.

Bradley Markle, PhD Candidate, University of Washington
My study, and almost all I saw mentioned in the blog post, are studies of climate change in the past. My study investigates connections between different parts of the climate system during climate events that happened over 10,000 years ago. Studying climate change in the past can give context to recent climate changes. However, my study in no way investigates or tries to attribute the causes of recent climate change. It does not deal with human influences on climate.
I do not argue that “global warming… is a fake artefact [sic]”. The overwhelming scientific evidence is that the climate is currently changing and that human influences, primarily releasing CO2 into the atmosphere, have a significant impact. Though, again, this is not at all addressed in my study, nor any of the ones quoted that I recognized (though I did not read them all).

The blog post and Breitbart article are both misleading and inaccurate, on several levels.

Ernesto Tejedor Vargas, University of Zaragoza
The article Tejedor et al., 2017 is not a climate-change-denying paper. It is a paleoclimate paper showing, first, a new maximum temperature reconstruction for the last 400 years (including the current warming) and second, a new standardization method in dendrochronology to remove the non-climatic trend.
The image in the post does not by any means reflect the message of the paper. That figure is the raw temperature of the CRU dataset in the region, i.e., [I would like the author of the No Tricks Zone post to] remove my name from the blog since it is not reflecting our research conclusion.

David Reynolds, Postdoctoral Research Associate, Cardiff University (and co-authors)
The article uses Figure 11 from Reynolds et al., 2017 without displaying the figure caption. The caption for this figure clearly states that the data shown have been detrended using a simple linear function in order to highlight the high-frequency (sub-centennial) mean annual sea surface temperature (SST) anomalies. This means we have statistically removed the long-term trend, i.e., the 20th century warming signal. The long-term trend was removed from the observational SST data as the particular proxy data being used for comparison, the marine bivalve growth increment width (GIW), does not record the low frequency change, such as the long-term warming trend. The reason the GIW chronology doesn’t record the long-term trend is because there are changes in the growth rates of the bivalves as they age (older=slower=thinner GIW). The standard procedure (e.g. Butler et al., 2009) for taking these so-called “ontogenetic effects” into account removes the ability of the GIW proxy to record long-term trends while retaining the signal of high-frequency variability. Looking at the non-detrended observational SST data (Fig 1) clearly shows there is a long-term warming trend over the 20th century in northeast Atlantic sea surface temperatures.



Fig 1 — The black line shows mean annual sea surface temperatures over the North East Atlantic (50-60oN by 10-0oW). The dashed black line shows the linear trend over the 20th century. The data shown here are the raw data that were then linear detrended for use in Reynolds et al., 2017 Fig 11.

 
As I said .........
Unbelievable.

Just ask the folks from the west of Scotland. Northern Ireland. Those in the path of this years extreme hurricane season. Whether climate extremes are getting worse. Yes I know no one weather event can be blamed on climate change. But just how many will it require before the deniers get on board with solutions not just obstruction
 

Dave645

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As I said .........
I would like to ask you a few questions.
why do you dislike the conclusion that climate change is real?

what is it that we are doing as a human race based on our beliefs that it is real don't you like?

Because if you have no problem with the choices we have made based on climate change belief what's the harm, now if you don't like what we are doing based on our belief in climate change that makes you bias to a conclusion, I actualy think moving from fossil fuels is a good thing so are electric cars, as I am a big fan of clean air, and all the health benefits it brings, so for me climate change or not I would want to be doing these things.

If for you it's all about good scientific rigger only, why do you need to publicly deny it unless you don't like the results of the changes or how we are enacting change to avoid climate change.

what good scientist do is find actual evidence that is believable, find reasons for 100,000 year old ice shelfs that are melting that don't revolve around 50 year sun cycles or weather pattern shifts.....it's a long pattern if it disrupts 100,000 year long cycles is all I am saying.
What's more belivable, we are doing something, or it's just a natural solar cycle of some duration of some random number from 10-100 years or lots combining that haven't for 100,000 years.....
Convince me of that and you will make me a climate change denier over night......
Show me another way to get clean air for our world with using fossil fuels and no change to power production, and 100% no chance it will risk damaging further our plant, I will reconsider my possition on moving away from fossil fuels but until you do I will happily go along the road that climate change is real and we must do something.......
 
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Dave645

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As I said .........
Predicting a predicable event, is so predictable, an attempt at a cheap vindication..... you are right about your conclusion because your right about the way it was received........a cheap social manipulation to try and get simpthy for your possition......oooooor poor you....... we are all picking on you, so your the victim. Your good for a laugh if nothing else.....
 

banjo

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Back of beyond
Keep going Banjo you're not alone in this even though it must feel like it at times !
a bit of support here from 415 scientific papers published in the last year ..and 900 in the last two years that question the so called 'consensus'


'During the first 10 months of 2017, 400 415 scientific papers have been published that cast doubt on the position that anthropogenic CO2 emissions function as the climate’s fundamental control knob…or that otherwise question the efficacy of climate models or the related “consensus” positions commonly endorsed by policymakers and mainstream media'

.http://notrickszone.com/2017/10/23/...-climate-alarm/#sthash.XjjFDfS2.DKitAcY5.dpbs

there will of course be howls from all the amateur climate experts on here about what the various papers do or don't say but what can't be argued is that these show that the science is in no way settled ....

yep i agree, it isnt settled at all and they have no more proof than the other sides argument. i actually heard a top warming scientist on the news saying they hope the co2 drops by 2020, funny thats when we will be cooling and the co2 follows te earths heat isnt it!
few rats leaving themseves an out and ready to jump ship, methinks!
i wont stop posting my opinion cos i aint a sheep and believe the current global warming hystera is competly incorrect, and the cooling of the earth will prove it.
 

Dave645

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Arable Farmer
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N Lincs
we will see, when was the last snowfall in november in the uk:whistle:
Ok if there is evidence each way and it's not decided, what does your side think that caused the 100,000 years old iceshelf break up, in a non globle warming world, or are they now on 100,000 year solar cycles now.......as an explanation, show me one convincing argument for that very old ice shelf to break up, you will convert me......to your side. And scientific evidence a good paper or article so we can all read would be great.
I would assume that in a very disputed globle warming scam that the massive evidence of a ice shelf melting has a very un globle warming explanation......if not it doesn't look as balanced and undecided as you think.
 

linga

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Ceredigion
I do agree with you, but people have to realise it works the other way too, a nice day in March or a hot week in August is not confirmation of global warming.

Yes indeed.
I see that 2017 is expected to be the third or second warmest year ever globally...the three warmest I believe are 2016 and 2015 and 2017....could all be weather though but 16 of the 17 warmest years have occurred since 2000.
 

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