The great global warming scam, worth a listen I think.

[Campani]

Rapid de-glaciation, help yourself. https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_vis=1&q=rapid+quaternary+deglaciation&btnG=
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Are you talking about any paper in particular?

 

[Campani]

I find this whole thread very confusing.
I can never quite pin down the argument. Is it volcanoes or solar rays that cause the fluctuations in the planet's climate?

 

[Tom_o_m]

Easy, it is us and the hot air we produce. Including in this thread.

The science is clear unless you want it not to be and actively seek out conspiracy theory nonsense on the net and present this as fact.

Thankfully people like Banjo are the minority, there is hope for us yet.

 

[Campani]

Easy, it is us and the hot air we produce. Including in this thread.

The science is clear unless you want it not to be and actively seek out conspiracy theory nonsense on the net and present this as fact.

Thankfully people like Banjo are the minority, there is hope for us yet.

Fossil fuels creating a blanket of co2 that means less of the suns energy escapes, seems the most common sense answer to me. But this thread is full of other arguments that all contradict each other

 

[Tom_o_m]

Fossil fuels creating a blanket of co2 that means less of the suns energy escapes, seems the most common sense answer to me. But this thread is full of other arguments that all contradict each other

Thankfully the science is much much less contradictory than our bickering. The vast vast majority agree that CO2 is having serious warming effect and greatly accelerating the warming of the globe.

 

[banjo]

 

[Tom_o_m]

Erm. He's a physicist.

 

[Tom_o_m]

And he acknowledges that the world is warming but only argues, shallowly, that CO2 isn't to blame. He throws in some rambling nonsense about improved living standards as a counter argument (ignoring advances in education, nutrition, poverty reduction, medical advancements etc).

 

[linga]

worth a read for balance

https://www.skepticalscience.com/ivar-giaever-nobel-physicist-climate-pseudoscientist.html

 

[linga]

https://pressingwax.wordpress.com/2...nobel-laureate-ivar-giaver-on-climate-change/

And this is interesting too.

 

[Cowabunga]

Easy, it is us and the hot air we produce. Including in this thread.

The science is clear unless you want it not to be and actively seek out conspiracy theory nonsense on the net and present this as fact.

Thankfully people like Banjo are the minority, there is hope for us yet.

If you did not have people questioning the perceived wisdom of the times and allow them to do so, we really would be beyond help and in another 'dark age'.

 

[Tom_o_m]

If you did not have people questioning the perceived wisdom of the times and allow them to do so, we really would be beyond help and in another 'dark age'.

Yes, peer reviews and scientific rigour. Quite agree, but conspiracy theories and peddling myths about the world actually cooling are dangerous when we collectively need to act.

 

[Pedders]

Thankfully the science is much much less contradictory than our bickering. The vast vast majority agree that CO2 is having serious warming effect and greatly accelerating the warming of the globe.

science isn’t decided by consensus it’s decided by facts and the facts do not support your arguments ...there is no greatly accelerating warming

 

[Tom_o_m]

science isn’t decided by consensus it’s decided by facts and the facts do not support your arguments ...there is no greatly accelerating warming

That's nonsense. And that's fact.

 

[Pedders]

That's nonsense. And that's fact.

really ?

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (Nov. 29, 2017) — The rate at which Earth’s atmosphere is warming has not significantly accelerated over the past 23 years,
according to research at The University of Alabama in Huntsville (UAH).
If you take away the transient cooling in 1983 and 1992 caused by two major volcanic eruptions in the preceding years, the remaining underlying warming trend in the bottom eight kilometers (almost five miles) of the atmosphere was 0.096 C (about 0.17° Fahrenheit) per decade between January 1979 and June 2017.

did you get that bit ? warming at 0.096c per decade is not greatly accelerating warming no matter how much you want it to be ........

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11...-warming-climate-sensitivity-to-co2-too-high/

 

[Tom_o_m]

Have a look at NASA, who have the best capacity for recording and tracking global trends. Don't cherry pick. They clearly say that while the globe has warmed by just over a degree since the late 19th century the 'majority of that has been in the last 35 years'. I.e. warming has accelerated.

Ice caps melting at 13% per decade, 16 of 17 warmest years in the last 136 years have been since 2001, and 2016 the warmest on record... it is sombre stuff.

Why would I want global warming to be a thing? It's a damaging trend not a fashion accessory.

 

[Pedders]

no I wont look at NASA... whose cherry picking now ? ...and a blind belief in global warming certainly is a damaging trend amongst a certain type of person for sure

 

[jendan]

Have a look at NASA, who have the best capacity for recording and tracking global trends. Don't cherry pick. They clearly say that while the globe has warmed by just over a degree since the late 19th century the 'majority of that has been in the last 35 years'. I.e. warming has accelerated.

Ice caps melting at 13% per decade, 16 of 17 warmest years in the last 136 years have been since 2001, and 2016 the warmest on record... it is sombre stuff.

Why would I want global warming to be a thing? It's a damaging trend not a fashion accessory.

"ice caps melting at 13% per decade" ? If this is true then they would be gone by now?.....well,at least the Arctic one.

 

[Dave645]

no I wont look at NASA... whose cherry picking now ? ...and a blind belief in global warming certainly is a damaging trend amongst a certain type of person for sure

Who is it damaging for us to belief in globle warming ?
Oil a gas companies? It's also shaking up the car industry but who is it harming, there are a lot of happy people generating there own power.
feeling the benifits from their personal investments.
Renewable energy is on the cusp (if it's not already) of being cheaper than oil and gas, it can be setup in remote regions far more easy than fossil fuel fuels tech, believing in globle warming is driving a revaluation in energy and transport, where is the negative?
And don't say the third world, they have no oil and gas so powering transport with solar is far better for them as it is to generate solar power for there homes, you could go in with 10k of equipment and provide more power for 20 years than they have ever had or would see from 10k with traditional oil and gas, and because we are driving innovation cost are falling all the time that same kit would have been 20k 5-10 years ago. And will most likely to be 7.5k in another 5 years.and be able to pay for its self in 5 years and provide free power for another 15 years. How is that worse than tying them to oil and gas that someone is selling them....?

I am sure you will ignore my post or rubbish it, as facts for you seem to mean something else than they do to most other people.
And yes @Tom_o_m CO2 is the consensus for trapping more of the sun's heat, so pushing climate change, the problem is they don't want to belive it for what ever reason. I will say at first they didn't even admit temps were rising, now they only argue over how fast and blame the sun it's progress... lol.... you will never convince them even if all the ice on the poles melted they will find some solar cycle or volcano, or other natural thing, don't forget the tobacco indusrty they denyed for a long time because they thought it was in their best interest, same as the American football league, at first denied it caused brain damage despite them having evidence it did, so we now have a very wealthy oil and gas industry losing its monopoly to renewables because we belive in climate change, so no big shock we have teams of people going around denying climate change.... lol and they rely on muddying the waters to get people to belive why they belive them I don't know, it's their choice so they can make it, I will put my money in renewables, I know it's a better investment and one I can be happy to say when the arguments are settled once and for all on this topic, I will know I did my best for the planet. Either way.

 

[Dave645]

To be honest, you don't even need to belive in climate change to see renewable energy is a good thing, and that personal investment in them will bring long term savings for your families. We have a mountain to climb to replace oil and gas and without more big breakthroughs we will need them for a long time yet, but renewables make them cheaper because we reduce demand for them, so it's win win, to move to renewable tech....where is the negative?