The great global warming scam, worth a listen I think.

banjo

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Coldest April in the uk since records began and co2 follows the earths heat not the other way around so it will drop as the earth cools as it always has !
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C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
show me the whole chart back to the 1970s because when your in your living room at night with you family there is 1500 to 2000ppm in there and that’s why greenhouses are the same to grow crops, grow up !
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The 2008 world wide recession also had little effect on the graph - proof that the majority of the increase ,in CO2 is natural rather than man made.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
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The 2008 world wide recession also had little effect on the graph - proof that the majority of the increase ,in CO2 is natural rather than man made.

That graph on that scale looks really dramatic. However if the vertical scale was a million units high to represent the million that CO2 is a part of, the difference between 315 on the left and 410 on the right would hardly register as a tiny squiggle at the very bottom. It is the difference between 0.0315% and 0.041 CO2 in the atmosphere.
 

C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
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Maybe this pie chart explains things better - If only 5% of the annual CO2 increase is man made, then a 10% reduction in fossil fuel usage due to Covid will only reduce the total CO2 increment by 0.5 %.

So even if we could get to net zero we would still have an annual increase of 2.85 ppm,if it's currently at 3 ppm.
 
Coldest April in the uk since records began and co2 follows the earths heat not the other way around so it will drop as the earth cools as it always has !

Why do you fail to learn from being corrected about past errors? The chart you showed ended in March. April is not shown.

For the benefit of others, because I know you do not read what I post (otherwise you would not repeat your errors) April here happened to be the warmest for a few years. You cannot tell us what your own record shows because you do not have sufficient interest in the subject to keep one.

It will be the last month for which I am able to report because I am returning to the UK before the end of this month - subject to all sorts of possible reasons that will prevent it, but I will be back. The annual mean is over 2º higher than when I came here in 2003 and is showing a gradual rise over that time, with less hard frosts, sometimes none in a year.

Of course I will set up a recording station where I settle and will have a "closer to home" record in the future for those of you who just guess at how the world is warming - some still claiming it is not happening.
 

jendan

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northumberland
Why do you fail to learn from being corrected about past errors? The chart you showed ended in March. April is not shown.

For the benefit of others, because I know you do not read what I post (otherwise you would not repeat your errors) April here happened to be the warmest for a few years. You cannot tell us what your own record shows because you do not have sufficient interest in the subject to keep one.

It will be the last month for which I am able to report because I am returning to the UK before the end of this month - subject to all sorts of possible reasons that will prevent it, but I will be back. The annual mean is over 2º higher than when I came here in 2003 and is showing a gradual rise over that time, with less hard frosts, sometimes none in a year.

Of course I will set up a recording station where I settle and will have a "closer to home" record in the future for those of you who just guess at how the world is warming - some still claiming it is not happening.
I hope you bring some "warming" back to the UK with you. Its been a bloody cold April and May so far this year.
 
I’ll help him flit if he does.

No promises on the temperature, but I might need you to help me flit if you can do it. I have a couple of feelers out already and they have first go. I need to move out around about the 23rd. Very short notice but I received an offer I could not refuse.

Everything will be packed in solid plastic transport boxes bought especially for the trip and in common use here by supermarkets etc. I will need something about the size of an old fashioned closed one tonner. Transit type? All costs paid for taking the ferry to Santander, I think about 500 miles to here, and then back again - ending up in Orkney, but willing to store short term on the way.

If interested PM me with email address.
 

Top Tip.

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highland
No promises on the temperature, but I might need you to help me flit if you can do it. I have a couple of feelers out already and they have first go. I need to move out around about the 23rd. Very short notice but I received an offer I could not refuse.

Everything will be packed in solid plastic transport boxes bought especially for the trip and in common use here by supermarkets etc. I will need something about the size of an old fashioned closed one tonner. Transit type? All costs paid for taking the ferry to Santander, I think about 500 miles to here, and then back again - ending up in Orkney, but willing to store short term on the way.

If interested PM me with email address.
I’m sorry,I’m trying to tidy up calving and get lambs marked. I would thoroughly enjoy a trip like that but I’ll have to give this one a miss. There’s bound to be someone in the tff collective who would be available.
 
today 6 th may in Scotland.
open your eyes people it’s all a con to get your tax money !

Yes it is only the 6th. Nothing unusual about snow that far north at this time of year. Have you ever been to Slochd?

I have recently told you that snow at this time of year is not unusual. Why do you persist in failing to learn?

Here is a quote from https://blog.metoffice.gov.uk/2016/04/27/snow-in-late-april-more-common-than-you-may-think/

In 1979, it snowed every day somewhere in the UK between 1 and 6 May, including parts of the south and southeast. On 6 May 1997 over 200 stations across the UK recorded falling snow.

There will be a lot less than 200 stations recording snow today. Why? Guess.
 
No promises on the temperature, but I might need you to help me flit if you can do it. I have a couple of feelers out already and they have first go. I need to move out around about the 23rd. Very short notice but I received an offer I could not refuse.

Everything will be packed in solid plastic transport boxes bought especially for the trip and in common use here by supermarkets etc. I will need something about the size of an old fashioned closed one tonner. Transit type? All costs paid for taking the ferry to Santander, I think about 500 miles to here, and then back again - ending up in Orkney, but willing to store short term on the way.

If interested PM me with email address.
Portugal to Orkney will be a major shock to the senses. Good luck, in time I intend to be heading in the opposite direction in my motorhome. Cold wet winters followed by cold dry springs with sub zero winds are not my first choice. I will opt for a bit of global warming in Portugal. good luck. B
 
Thanks for your good luck message.

As I have posted elsewhere, Kirkwall has a higher annual mean than Inverness, and we were a few hundred feet higher on the Black Isle before we came here. I do not know where you are in the Borders, but the chances are you have a worse winter than all of the Orkney islands. I know that the Northumbrian hills were a lot worse than the Black Isle.

Also, as I have posted, we are quite close to the ski lifts here. Did you know we had ski lifts in this area? Orkney will not be a shock. Many folks seem to think that wherever they live is the hottest/coldest there is to be experienced. Latitude has nothing to do with it. Where we farmed in Australia summer temperatures were often well into the mid 40s, but we also saw snow (rarely) in winter.

You might have noticed I have posted a lot on this particular thread, and that is because I have kept weather records for decades in both hemispheres and 4 different countries. I speak from experience when I write, not hearsay or somebody's guess for the future.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
You might have noticed I have posted a lot on this particular thread, and that is because I have kept weather records for decades in both hemispheres and 4 different countries. I speak from experience when I write, not hearsay or somebody's guess for the future.

Yes indeed. You will have kept "weather" records. Not global climate records. Thanks for confirming that.
 
So? What is your point in that comment? Are you saying that a rising temperature in many thousands of weather station records around the world that show an increase in temperature do not constitute a global climate record?

As I have asked everyone who denies temperatures have been rising for quite a few years - about half the lifetime of even older folks, find me a single weather station anywhere in the world that shows a decrease, or even no increase, in recorded temperatures (not anybody guessing the future) and then we can take the matter further. If you do, you will be the first.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
So? What is your point in that comment? Are you saying that a rising temperature in many thousands of weather station records around the world that show an increase in temperature do not constitute a global climate record?

As I have asked everyone who denies temperatures have been rising for quite a few years - about half the lifetime of even older folks, find me a single weather station anywhere in the world that shows a decrease, or even no increase, in recorded temperatures (not anybody guessing the future) and then we can take the matter further. If you do, you will be the first.
My point is that you continually bleat on about 'climate' while using your 'weather' as some kind of evidence.
 
My point is that you continually bleat on about 'climate' while using your 'weather' as some kind of evidence.

What evidence do you want? Temperature records are all there is to use to determine whether or not temperatures are rising. The thread is about "global warming".

I do not bleat. The majority of my posts have been correcting misinformation by Banjo, who has repeatedly posted links that do not relate to what he thinks he is portraying. Sometimes correcting others too.

Do you believe the actual "weather" records of the last few decades? How about coming up with what I have requested of you?

A simple question to you. Do you believe temperatures have been rising for, say, 20, 25, 30 years? Ignore the possible causes. Is it happening?
 

C.J

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South Devon
So? What is your point in that comment? Are you saying that a rising temperature in many thousands of weather station records around the world that show an increase in temperature do not constitute a global climate record?

As I have asked everyone who denies temperatures have been rising for quite a few years - about half the lifetime of even older folks, find me a single weather station anywhere in the world that shows a decrease, or even no increase, in recorded temperatures (not anybody guessing the future) and then we can take the matter further. If you do, you will be the first.
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Temperatures having been recovering for 300 years since the little age ,which was the coldest period in the last 10,000 years.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
What evidence do you want? Temperature records are all there is to use to determine whether or not temperatures are rising. The thread is about "global warming".

I do not bleat. The majority of my posts have been correcting misinformation by Banjo, who has repeatedly posted links that do not relate to what he thinks he is portraying. Sometimes correcting others too.

Do you believe the actual "weather" records of the last few decades? How about coming up with what I have requested of you?

A simple question to you. Do you believe temperatures have been rising for, say, 20, 25, 30 years? Ignore the possible causes. Is it happening?
Temperatures rise and fall over decades and centuries and always have. Perhaps you should have asked whether I believe in the accuracy of the predictions made by climate alarmists. The answer to that is, no I don't. They have a record of being way out and exaggerating figures through manipulation of historic data under the cloak of 'adjustments'.
There is of course a warming trend, or there was until about a decade ago. Against all the alarmist predictions it seems to have slowed to almost a stop since then, rather embarrassingly for some of the most outrageous predictions made a decade or more ago. I've no doubt that further 'adjustment' of the data will ensure a continuing and accelerating trend by the by.
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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