The Hunt

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
What bugs me is the suggestion that the whole horse thing is of any benefit to the countryside. It's not - it's a whole bunch of pomp and ponce dressed up as a 'countryside pursuit. Newsflash: We manage quite well to control foxes in the rest of the country without red jackets, horses and the likes. If we have to use hounds (and we do sometimes) it is done discretely and with land rovers and 12 bores. Mostly, fox numbers are controlled with rifles and spotlights. Never have the need to employ a bunch of titled nonses with their horses.

Now, I don't want to ban hunting, but I do want to ban hunting with horses. And if ever there was a bunch went through here without asking first, I'd be using the full force of my firearms to destroy all those (non-human) animals which were worrying my animals - hounds, horses and all.
 
What bugs me is the suggestion that the whole horse thing is of any benefit to the countryside. It's not - it's a whole bunch of pomp and ponce dressed up as a 'countryside pursuit. Newsflash: We manage quite well to control foxes in the rest of the country without red jackets, horses and the likes. If we have to use hounds (and we do sometimes) it is done discretely and with land rovers and 12 bores. Mostly, fox numbers are controlled with rifles and spotlights. Never have the need to employ a bunch of titled nonses with their horses.

Now, I don't want to ban hunting, but I do want to ban hunting with horses. And if ever there was a bunch went through here without asking first, I'd be using the full force of my firearms to destroy all those (non-human) animals which were worrying my animals - hounds, horses and all.
Wouldn't agree with the last sentence, it isn't the horses and hounds fault. I think you're picking on the wrong target!
 

kill

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Livestock Farmer
Location
South West
Now, I don't want to ban hunting, but I do want to ban hunting with horses. And if ever there was a bunch went through here without asking first, I'd be using the full force of my firearms to destroy all those (non-human) animals which were worrying my animals - hounds, horses and all.
Round here it's the pee'd up idiot's on quad bikes that give hunting a bad name
 
Location
Suffolk
What bugs me is the suggestion that the whole horse thing is of any benefit to the countryside. It's not - it's a whole bunch of pomp and ponce dressed up as a 'countryside pursuit. Newsflash: We manage quite well to control foxes in the rest of the country without red jackets, horses and the likes. If we have to use hounds (and we do sometimes) it is done discretely and with land rovers and 12 bores. Mostly, fox numbers are controlled with rifles and spotlights. Never have the need to employ a bunch of titled nonses with their horses.

Now, I don't want to ban hunting, but I do want to ban hunting with horses. And if ever there was a bunch went through here without asking first, I'd be using the full force of my firearms to destroy all those (non-human) animals which were worrying my animals - hounds, horses and all.
Yeah, yeah, and you'll never have access to even a potato pop gun in future. Not a sensible thought process. If you ever act this one out you'll be in HMP in a very short time and they're not a nice place to be from all accounts. Hunting happens, and polite requests to the relevant person usually resolves any problem. It is just the tone that needs to be in the right key.
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worker

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Yeah, yeah, and you'll never have access to even a potato pop gun in future. Not a sensible thought process. If you ever act this one out you'll be in HMP in a very short time and they're not a nice place to be from all accounts. Hunting happens, and polite requests to the relevant person usually resolves any problem. It is just the tone that needs to be in the right key.
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Polite requests don't work!!!! Well not where I live anyway
 
Location
Suffolk
@worker Do you live in the Gorbals in Glasgow? I'd expect this from a resident, but they may have changed from when I mixed with folk from there? 'Blooding' your Doc Marten boots was an important ritual then.
Great front line fellows but important to hold them back until needed!
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But would you shoot a sheep worrying dog? So why not a foxhound
I got the impression that the post I had quoted was meaning to shoot the horses and hounds to punish those in the hunt who were crossing his property ( I take it that it was meant in a theoretical sense and I trust he would have more sense than to actually do it). The horses and hounds would be there at the instruction of those in the hunt.
OTOH I would assume a dog worrying sheep would be out of control so not a like for like comparison.
 

worker

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I got the impression that the post I had quoted was meaning to shoot the horses and hounds to punish those in the hunt who were crossing his property ( I take it that it was meant in a theoretical sense and I trust he would have more sense than to actually do it). The horses and hounds would be there at the instruction of those in the hunt.
OTOH I would assume a dog worrying sheep would be out of control so not a like for like comparison.
So when the hounds are chasing my incalf heifers round and round and the huntsman says 'but you know we can't control them all the time', are you saying it is not a like for like comparison. Dorset hunt are ar**holes.
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
Well my local hunt master admitted to me that they had lost control of the pack a couple years ago. 3 of us had to stand guard over my hens with sticks as the hounds rampaged through. Now I will admit that the hounds were not the slightest bit interested in my rare breed hens which had taken years to breed up. But that is not the point. They were out of control and rampaged through our woods with the usual brainless cretins on quads climbing our newly laid hedges to watch the trespass. I used the C word many times and even made up some worse ones. Utter cretins. Not country people. Utter cretins.

I have since made peace with the local hunt and asked them to avoid my hens which they have. Had I had a gun on that day, they would be a few hounds short and I would have been perfectly justified in protecting my stock. Poor dogs being run by such fools.

Now my hens are in Heras panel pens and part of that is to protect from wayward hounds. I cannot afford to lose a prize cockerel which has taken 4 years to breed. That's thousands to me. Not just a chicken. It's not worth anything to anyone but me.

Each to their own but I don't understand these morons who follow the hunt on quads and climb hedges to watch. Get a life FFS. Or end it and do us all a favour.
 

worker

Member
I know for a FACT that if you suffer from hound 'worrying' and discuss this with the correct person you'll be compensated. Simples. No hysteria, no boll*ks. Just fact. This is an old, old one and well known.
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Not where I live..They just think it funny. Even reported it to the police, but as no heifers aborted apparently that's ok then.!
 

Pasty

Member
Location
Devon
I know for a FACT that if you suffer from hound 'worrying' and discuss this with the correct person you'll be compensated. Simples. No hysteria, no boll*ks. Just fact. This is an old, old one and well known.
SS
So if I breed a show winning silver laced orpington cockerel and put him with 8 hens which I have driven all over the UK to pick up and then have a potential income of say £4k over the next 2 years from fertile hatching eggs because I have the right connections with the right customers, is he going to pay me 4 grand for 9 dead hens?

4 Grand please. 4 thousand quid.
 

Osca

Member
Location
Tayside
I'm not in a fox-hunting area nowadays; but Highland Mule's post struck a nerve. It reminded me how much, over the years, I have come to loathe and dread the sporting activities of idiots with guns, who don't know when they're unwelcome, consider themselves responsible despite all evidence to the contrary, and have no real consideration for people, property or livestock; this seems to be commonplace right the way up country from the young rough shooters trespassing on the fields of a livery yard beside Heathrow Airport and shooting between the grazing horses (these chancers, when caught, thought they were going to be offered a chance to "control the rabbit problem" and could not see why we might not want them there) - via the local shoot in the midlands, who positioned guns uninvited on my neighbours land, and the local policeman in Lincolnshire who fancied hiomself as a shooting man and felt he could exercise his gundog (and let it crap) in my little paddock with the cow and calf, even when asked not to do it - to the pillocks up here a few years ago who were shooting across the field, in the dark, from a car on the road, while we were there checking up on a sick animal.

I've had reason to be grateful to a shooting farmer up here, for keeping the foxes and rabbits down, and I fully understand the usefulness of a gun as a tool and see that some might enjoy the work - and if hounds really are chasing livestock, that's another thing - but when you get someone advocating Highland Mule's approach, suggesting the horses be shot, presumably with people on them, it makes me feel I'm once again in the presence of one of the prats, the source of the problems and not the solution.
 

worker

Member
So if I breed a show winning silver laced orpington cockerel and put him with 8 hens which I have driven all over the UK to pick up and then have a potential income of say £4k over the next 2 years from fertile hatching eggs because I have the right connections with the right customers, is he going to pay me 4 grand for 9 dead hens?

4 Grand please. 4 thousand quid.
But it is not just the money is it, it is the complete disregard for our livestock
 
Location
Suffolk
Well I'm sad to hear this @worker. Truely! If this 'lot' behave in the way you infer they should be stopped. In my expreience, and most folk deride the 'rich, posh, toffs' who hunt, but these people are passionate in & about their sport and are aware of the pitfalls AND are fully prepared to compensate for the occasional disaster. They are mostly ordinary people. If this happens too often in a 'proper' & well organised hunt the Huntsman would soon be out of his/her job PDQ, like the same afternoon!
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Location
Suffolk
So if I breed a show winning silver laced orpington cockerel and put him with 8 hens which I have driven all over the UK to pick up and then have a potential income of say £4k over the next 2 years from fertile hatching eggs because I have the right connections with the right customers, is he going to pay me 4 grand for 9 dead hens?

4 Grand please. 4 thousand quid.
A show winning Copper Maran. £25 tops! Realistic please.
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