The "I`ve got it" thread...

JCMaloney

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Roughly 250000 people die in hospital every year, I'm not entirely clear on why we keeping a count now so obsessively and also why it's only deaths of one cause we are focusing on.
Do no one else's deaths matter?

Its a proportional representation of the County & City reality from when this all started some 100+ pages ago.
It`s easier to identify Covid deaths because we (the NHS) publish the figures.
Ironic that we are getting fewer elderly with normal respiratory problems caused by flu etc because they are social distancing.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
More of a score draw given the economic impact of Covid and the restrictions required to manage Covid. Wonder what response next autumn when everyone has been vaccinated against Covid when the government (Conservtive/Labour/SNP) put in place same restrictions to ensure reduced number of deaths due to 'usual' respiratory diseases.

I don’t see that happening - do you? The much more mobile status of Covid, combined with a longer asymptomatic but contagious phase and higher mortality ratio makes it something of a special case.
 

JCMaloney

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LE9 2JG
Saturday numbers....
37104 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 36878 (increase 226).
17421 (increase of 103) were within the Leicester City Council area.
19683 (increase of 123) cases were reported in the County.

UHL reported 12 death's. The death's occurred on the following days, 20th November (1), 22nd November (2), 24th November (1), 25th November (2), 26th November (3) and 27th November (3).

Total number of UHL death's now stands at 596.
 

JCMaloney

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LE9 2JG
An interesting perspective from a scientist often quoted by the more extreme deniers.

"So, if some 33.5 per cent of our population have already been infected by the virus this year (and are now immune) – and a further 30 per cent were already immune before we even heard of Covid-19, then once you also factor in that a tenth of the UK population is aged ten or under and therefore largely invulnerable (children are rarely made ill by the virus), that leaves about 26.5 per cent of people who are actually susceptible to being infected. "

How true that is remains to be seen.................. it is still 20 million people.
 

Charlie Gill

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Kent
An interesting perspective from a scientist often quoted by the more extreme deniers.

"So, if some 33.5 per cent of our population have already been infected by the virus this year (and are now immune) – and a further 30 per cent were already immune before we even heard of Covid-19, then once you also factor in that a tenth of the UK population is aged ten or under and therefore largely invulnerable (children are rarely made ill by the virus), that leaves about 26.5 per cent of people who are actually susceptible to being infected. "

How true that is remains to be seen.................. it is still 20 million people.

Until we end the use of PCR mass testing, there is no chance that “cases” will reduce to very low levels. Lateral flow tests must become the gold standard test for COVID with PCR only used for confirmatory diagnosis. This will minimise the number of PCR tests that need to be performed allowing testing to return to competent NHS laboratories. Without such an intervention, even if the virus stopped circulating, I believe we’ll still hear of tens of thousands of “cases” every day, and several hundred deaths.


Being as involved as you are, do you and your colleagues rate anything he says? I must say, some of the issues he raises about the Lighthouse Labs raises an eyebrow.
 

arcobob

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Norfolk
Until we end the use of PCR mass testing, there is no chance that “cases” will reduce to very low levels. Lateral flow tests must become the gold standard test for COVID with PCR only used for confirmatory diagnosis. This will minimise the number of PCR tests that need to be performed allowing testing to return to competent NHS laboratories. Without such an intervention, even if the virus stopped circulating, I believe we’ll still hear of tens of thousands of “cases” every day, and several hundred deaths.


Being as involved as you are, do you and your colleagues rate anything he says? I must say, some of the issues he raises about the Lighthouse Labs raises an eyebrow.
I have been very sceptical about PCR tests all along , having known a few people who have tested both negative and positive more that once in 24 hors. Recently it was rumoured that Elon Musk had tested positive twice and negative twice in 24 hours. I know of an elderly person who is slightly virus prone who tested positive but showed no symptoms. I would not go as far as to say that the rise in cases is entirely false but I am not convinced that the accuracy of testing is in any way a basis for the drastic measures being taken.
 

JCMaloney

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LE9 2JG
Until we end the use of PCR mass testing, there is no chance that “cases” will reduce to very low levels. Lateral flow tests must become the gold standard test for COVID with PCR only used for confirmatory diagnosis. This will minimise the number of PCR tests that need to be performed allowing testing to return to competent NHS laboratories. Without such an intervention, even if the virus stopped circulating, I believe we’ll still hear of tens of thousands of “cases” every day, and several hundred deaths.


Being as involved as you are, do you and your colleagues rate anything he says? I must say, some of the issues he raises about the Lighthouse Labs raises an eyebrow.

I wouldn`t say testing is causing the pandemic or a pseudo-epidemic..
What we need to remember is that the technology of mass testing is relatively new in practice, of course there will be false positives and, with more testing, more errors.
People can carry the virus cells & the DNA for a currently indeterminate time, that is what helps it spread. Asymptomatic folk with a viral load and low impact/no symptoms.
All the testing AND the mistakes will add to knowledge and improve things.

Cases are not the only measure used for Tiers/Lockdowns. The amount of folk ending up very poorly in hospital weighs heavily and all of those get a blood test which is far more accurate than a swab up the nose.
 

Gong Farmer

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S E Glos
I have been very sceptical about PCR tests all along , having known a few people who have tested both negative and positive more that once in 24 hors. Recently it was rumoured that Elon Musk had tested positive twice and negative twice in 24 hours. I know of an elderly person who is slightly virus prone who tested positive but showed no symptoms. I would not go as far as to say that the rise in cases is entirely false but I am not convinced that the accuracy of testing is in any way a basis for the drastic measures being taken.
Plenty of cases of people testing plants, running the test swab under a tap, or even sending it back without opening it and all coming back positive.
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
I wouldn`t say testing is causing the pandemic or a pseudo-epidemic..
What we need to remember is that the technology of mass testing is relatively new in practice, of course there will be false positives and, with more testing, more errors.
People can carry the virus cells & the DNA for a currently indeterminate time, that is what helps it spread. Asymptomatic folk with a viral load and low impact/no symptoms.
All the testing AND the mistakes will add to knowledge and improve things.

Cases are not the only measure used for Tiers/Lockdowns. The amount of folk ending up very poorly in hospital weighs heavily and all of those get a blood test which is far more accurate than a swab up the nose.
I gather that they have trained dogs who can identify carriers and their accuracy is around 98%. I am sure there are not enough trained dogs around to satisfy the need but it does reflect badly on our efforts.
 

Charlie Gill

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Location
Kent
I wouldn`t say testing is causing the pandemic or a pseudo-epidemic..
What we need to remember is that the technology of mass testing is relatively new in practice, of course there will be false positives and, with more testing, more errors.
People can carry the virus cells & the DNA for a currently indeterminate time, that is what helps it spread. Asymptomatic folk with a viral load and low impact/no symptoms.
All the testing AND the mistakes will add to knowledge and improve things.

Cases are not the only measure used for Tiers/Lockdowns. The amount of folk ending up very poorly in hospital weighs heavily and all of those get a blood test which is far more accurate than a swab up the nose.
Thanks. Can I get your view again please? This community testing, could it be used to give reassurance for a safer Christmas if you wanted to meet up with vulnerable people? How many days before meeting would you have to have the test and then isolate for?
 

JCMaloney

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LE9 2JG
Thanks. Can I get your view again please? This community testing, could it be used to give reassurance for a safer Christmas if you wanted to meet up with vulnerable people? How many days before meeting would you have to have the test and then isolate for?

In the real world I wouldn`t be getting tested.
It could lead to false confidence and the outcome could be horrific.
I would isolate (from those outside of the household/family) for 7-10 days before the persons arrival.
No shopping, going to the pub etc.
Make sure everyone who is going to be in the "bubble" is well and also isolates the same way.

Hands-face-space when the vulnerable person is with you for everyone.

Treat everyone as though they have it.

It`s pretty basic hygiene that stops it.

I just wish the Government would simplify the messages and stop getting everyone`s knickers in a twist!
 

JCMaloney

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Location
LE9 2JG
Sunday numbers..... cases dropping away it seems.

37316 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 37104 (increase 212).
17519 (increase of 98) were within the Leicester City Council area.
19797 (increase of 114) cases were reported in the County.

UHL reported 5 death's. The death's occurred on the following days, 22nd November (1), 23rd November (2), 25th November (1), and 26th November (1).
Total number of UHL death's now stands at 601.
 

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