The "I`ve got it" thread...

bobk

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It's not a mild form. Similar strains.

The appearance of 'mildness' comes the age groups affected, and the level of general loading on immune systems is currently lower than might be the case in autumn/winter.

That's changing fast though. I'm in the middle of my first head cold right now.
I've got a cold also . ...
 

Sid

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Hands - Face - Space !

That's a great line!

It's simple and effective.


Did you come up with it or did you pick it up from somewhere else?


What I find really quite disturbing for a population that is hell bent on killing 99.9% of all germs they have forgotten the basics about disease/germ spread.

Seen programme on tv where they used gel that shows up under uv, did some routine tasks including and washing hands inbetween then shone the uv light around.
It was everywhere!
 

JCMaloney

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That's a great line!

It's simple and effective.


Did you come up with it or did you pick it up from somewhere else?


What I find really quite disturbing for a population that is hell bent on killing 99.9% of all germs they have forgotten the basics about disease/germ spread.

Seen programme on tv where they used gel that shows up under uv, did some routine tasks including and washing hands inbetween then shone the uv light around.
It was everywhere!
I can`t take the credit.......... Boris will send the heavies round. They should be pushing it more really, its clear & concise.
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jendan

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Yes it is really.

But we also can't make a judgement on how seriously the elderly have been taking it in France.

The numbers have been fairly consistent right from the beginning. It weighs heavily on the elderly, many of whom are weak or have some existing problem/s.
My niece is a GP working in the Gt Manchester area. One of her patients had Covid in March,confirmed,recovered,and now has it again,confirmed! She is not old,and does not have underlying health problems. They are thinking the Virus is acting partly like the common cold,but which can kill.
 

Hindsight

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My niece is a GP working in the Gt Manchester area. One of her patients had Covid in March,confirmed,recovered,and now has it again,confirmed! She is not old,and does not have underlying health problems. They are thinking the Virus is acting partly like the common cold,but which can kill.
If one were to believe in Gaia then this is mother earth protecting itself and the other organisms that live on earth from homo sapiens. A new disease to homo sapiens which can never be eradicated because it came from and resides in bats in China (unless humans can destroy all the bats) and by looks of it other animals (cats / dogs ) etc that acts like the common cold and kills. And kills the old so keeping the population healthy. Just need to find now that an effective vaccine is not found and I will begin to believe in the theory of Gaia. Maybe James Lovelock was correct after all.
 
If one were to believe in Gaia then this is mother earth protecting itself and the other organisms that live on earth from homo sapiens. A new disease to homo sapiens which can never be eradicated because it came from and resides in bats in China (unless humans can destroy all the bats) and by looks of it other animals (cats / dogs ) etc that acts like the common cold and kills. And kills the old so keeping the population healthy. Just need to find now that an effective vaccine is not found and I will begin to believe in the theory of Gaia. Maybe James Lovelock was correct after all.
I very much agree with this. Any species which has a population overgrowth is ultimately faced with a natural cull to keep things in balance. As far as 'Gaia' is concerned we are a mammalian species which should be living a mammalian life, so not overly exploiting natural resources and developing cures for life-limiting diseases and illnesses which naturally control population numbers.

While potentially devastating individually, cv19 is quite benign for the overall natural welfare of the human species since it claims those biologically past their use-by dates and those with pre-existing health conditions such as obesity which would likely cause their demise but take a longer time to do it. As convenient social side-effect is that cv19 also spares the most economically active.

I'm pretty sure that if we find a way to eradicate or control cv19 something like ebola will become airborne which will bring population numbers down quite quickly since it has no age or health discrimination.
 

Hindsight

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I very much agree with this. Any species which has a population overgrowth is ultimately faced with a natural cull to keep things in balance. As far as 'Gaia' is concerned we are a mammalian species which should be living a mammalian life, so not overly exploiting natural resources and developing cures for life-limiting diseases and illnesses which naturally control population numbers.

While potentially devastating individually, cv19 is quite benign for the overall natural welfare of the human species since it claims those biologically past their use-by dates and those with pre-existing health conditions such as obesity which would likely cause their demise but take a longer time to do it. As convenient social side-effect is that cv19 also spares the most economically active.

I'm pretty sure that if we find a way to eradicate or control cv19 something like ebola will become airborne which will bring population numbers down quite quickly since it has no age or health discrimination.
If you were to believe in Gaia then Ebola was indeed nature seeking a cure to Homo Sapiens, but it was not quite the correct disease. Maybe SARS CV 19 is it?

Anyway it may save the human race from having to implement Logans Run!!
 
If you were to believe in Gaia then Ebola was indeed nature seeking a cure to Homo Sapiens, but it was not quite the correct disease. Maybe SARS CV 19 is it?

Anyway it may save the human race from having to implement Logans Run!!
Indeed. And even if cv19 turns out not to be the one to reset human population numbers, nature will keep trying until it finds something that does.
 

JCMaloney

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Broader numbers in the system......
Patients in mechanical ventilation beds - England 15/9-101, highest since 23/7
Hospitalisations - England. 13/9-153, highest since 1/7
Patients being treated across England for Cov-19 - 878.

Now some clever folk are suggesting that we are in a Gompertz curve (you`ll have to google it!!) rather than a second wave.
Others are saying the testing is finding more BEFORE they get hospital ill.
And others are saying............. we are all doomed!

Locally Oadby & Wigston have surged up the 7 day case rate to nearly beat Oldham, its like the pools panel have gone bonkers!
 

Hindsight

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Looks as though its a coming for us older folks. Better get in that bunker!!

Covid cases surge among middle-aged as test shortage worsens

Chris Smyth, Whitehall Editor Katie Gibbons, Ryan Watts
Wednesday September 16 2020, 12.01am, The Times
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Coronavirus infection rates among middle-aged people have reached the same level that those in their twenties saw two weeks ago, ministers fear.

The development came as an analysis by The Times showed that it was impossible to get a test in postcodes in every area of England yesterday afternoon. There was availability in Scotland and Wales but the snapshot study suggested that, overall, 85 per cent of the British population was unable to get tested at some points.

Internal government figures suggest that rates have more than tripled in all age groups since the end of July. They are still highest among teenagers and those in their twenties, but rates among people in their forties and fifties are at similar levels to where these younger age groups were two weeks ago.



Figures published last week showed that rates in people aged between 40 and 49 had reached 23 per 100,000, the same as the 20-29 age group three weeks ago, and it is understood that the trend has accelerated. Countries with infection rates above 20 per 100,000 are put on the quarantine list.
Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London, whose modelling was key to the imposition of lockdown in March, has warned that infections are back where they were in late February and that “rises in deaths will unfortunately follow in the coming weeks”.

Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, will miss prime minister’s questions today as he is awaiting the results of a test taken by a family member on Monday.
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, is preparing to ration coronavirus tests to put NHS and social care workers first, suggesting that there would be “further steps to ensure our tests are used according to those priorities”.



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JCMaloney

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Current R rate is accepted to be around 1.7, higher in some areas lower in others.
Back at the start we were at around 3 before first lock down occurred.

Once you get into the 2`s and things start doubling its a whole new world and the lack of available tests won`t make jack difference.

The capacity and availability of testing has been damaged by a range of factors. Demand (many are just sniffles not Covid), supply (unused tests sitting in the south west don`t help Bolton/Bury), supply (from manufacturers), results (capacity local,regional,national,internationally), capacity (appointments folk only want drive in not the walk in a mile down the road!). Non-attendance. Faulty/poor samples and then delivering the results.

Knock on effect folk won`t isolate for many reasons...... mostly will they get paid?

Same as furlough its a managed crash landing of the plane rather than piling into the mountain.
 

Hindsight

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Current R rate is accepted to be around 1.7, higher in some areas lower in others.
Back at the start we were at around 3 before first lock down occurred.

Once you get into the 2`s and things start doubling its a whole new world and the lack of available tests won`t make jack difference.

The capacity and availability of testing has been damaged by a range of factors. Demand (many are just sniffles not Covid), supply (unused tests sitting in the south west don`t help Bolton/Bury), supply (from manufacturers), results (capacity local,regional,national,internationally), capacity (appointments folk only want drive in not the walk in a mile down the road!). Non-attendance. Faulty/poor samples and then delivering the results.

Knock on effect folk won`t isolate for many reasons...... mostly will they get paid?

Same as furlough its a managed crash landing of the plane rather than piling into the mountain.
Hi, well the concern of government first time round was hospital capacity for the more serious cases. And if we recall there were a couple of straegies 'floated' in the Sunday papers from 'anonymous' sources. First - to legally require all over 70s to stay home (forced quarantine), to take away the demographic most likely to create pressure on the hospitals; then second to force all over 50 to stay home quarantine. Wonder if those folders with each scenario are being dusted down yet??
 
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Hi, well the concern of government first time round was hospital capacity for the more serious cases. And if we recall there were a couple of straegies 'floated' in the Sunday papers from 'anonymous' sources. First - to legally require all over 70s to stay home (forced quarantine), to take away the demographic most likely to create pressure on the hospitals; then second to force all over 50 to stay home quarantine. Wonder if those folders with each scenario are being dusted down yet??
I think the emphasis is moving away from a flat age barrier to a much more targeted shielding programme that would not place extra restrictions (more than the younger population, in any given area), on healthy older people. Effort is being made to go through all those previously blanket shielded to give a more tailored approach.
 
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Looks as though its a coming for us older folks. Better get in that bunker!!

Covid cases surge among middle-aged as test shortage worsens

Chris Smyth, Whitehall Editor Katie Gibbons, Ryan Watts
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Coronavirus infection rates among middle-aged people have reached the same level that those in their twenties saw two weeks ago, ministers fear.

The development came as an analysis by The Times showed that it was impossible to get a test in postcodes in every area of England yesterday afternoon. There was availability in Scotland and Wales but the snapshot study suggested that, overall, 85 per cent of the British population was unable to get tested at some points.

Internal government figures suggest that rates have more than tripled in all age groups since the end of July. They are still highest among teenagers and those in their twenties, but rates among people in their forties and fifties are at similar levels to where these younger age groups were two weeks ago.



Figures published last week showed that rates in people aged between 40 and 49 had reached 23 per 100,000, the same as the 20-29 age group three weeks ago, and it is understood that the trend has accelerated. Countries with infection rates above 20 per 100,000 are put on the quarantine list.
Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London, whose modelling was key to the imposition of lockdown in March, has warned that infections are back where they were in late February and that “rises in deaths will unfortunately follow in the coming weeks”.

Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader, will miss prime minister’s questions today as he is awaiting the results of a test taken by a family member on Monday.
Matt Hancock, the health secretary, is preparing to ration coronavirus tests to put NHS and social care workers first, suggesting that there would be “further steps to ensure our tests are used according to those priorities”.



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Not exactly surprising. 20 year old Joe catches it from Fred when they had a bit of a boozy get together with a few mates. May not realise he has it and doesn't isolate. After a week or so, Joe becomes infectious and gives it to his parents, who after a week might have symptoms and get tested.
 
My niece is a GP working in the Gt Manchester area. One of her patients had Covid in March,confirmed,recovered,and now has it again,confirmed! She is not old,and does not have underlying health problems. They are thinking the Virus is acting partly like the common cold,but which can kill.
One study in France reckoned covid was no more dangerous than other known coronaviruses.

There must be more than 1 strain going around if people are being infected more than once.
 

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