ollie989898
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Hospitals across the country were preparing for another surge in cases some months ago. I've seen it myself, wards having more beds brought in.
The "I`ve got it" thread...
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11 apparently. Well that was back in mid July. But each only slightly different from the other. Apparently only one resulted in statistically significant pathology, that difference being that it was more infectious (though no more severe than the rest). This one was found in 97% of samples worldwide.
RushesToo
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@ollie989898 Most thoughts are with 4 million cases approaching we are seeing the results of the first false positive tests. It is sadly now statistically likely.
RushesToo
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In short - all tests are not perfect, they sometimes report "infected" when not. It is expected that there will be reports of people re-infected.
Some re-infections will happen because of a very weak response to the virus and insufficient antibodies are produced [anyone had a tetanus top up - this is because anti-bodies become/are less strong]
Some will happen because tests are NOT 100% accurate, so one of the tests is wrong - a few in a million is seriously not a problem in a pandemic - until social media gets hold of it. Then people stop following common sense rules, and then it is a problem.
Hindsight
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Useful little piece on the importance of false positives and negatives in modelling an epidemic on More or Less this morning. If I recall it is 10 minutes in. Though the first 15 minutes is dedicated to Covid and well worth a listen - well I thought it was.
BBC Radio 4 - More or Less, Covid testing capacity, refugee numbers, and mascara
Confusing claims on lab capacity, the UK’s record on asylum, and the volume of eyelashes.
ollie989898
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Such is the nature of diagnostic tests. Public health is all about protecting as many people are possible, not the individual.
ollie989898
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There doesn't seem to be as many deaths now. Either the initial viral load is lower, the virus has become less virulent or more effective combination drug therapies are being used. Probably a bit of all three?
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Can I briefly digress onto tetanus please, as someone mentioned it?
I'm 41. I can't remember when I last had one. Probably teens. I'm a livestock farmer. I get cuts all the time, and I obviously work in an unbelievably dirty environment. Should I be asking for a booster?
I'm 41. I can't remember when I last had one. Probably teens. I'm a livestock farmer. I get cuts all the time, and I obviously work in an unbelievably dirty environment. Should I be asking for a booster?
ollie989898
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Yes.
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Interestingly, here in France if you may need a tetanus jag, they test you to see what your antibody levels are first.
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I wonder if there's natural immunity in adult humans, in the way that when cattle mature, they no longer seem to take blackleg.
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Don't thinks so, but it maybe that once you have been vaccinated you don't really need a booster, or at least until you are over 60 maybe!. Noticed this in a paper on it:
"We examined the levels and duration of serological memory after vaccination against tetanus and diphtheria toxins in a cross-sectional analysis of >500 adults. Protective levels of antitoxin antibodies were observed in 99% of subjects <60 years old (approximately 97% of the total all-age population)"
Princess Pooper
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Not sure if it is due to a change in the jab, or just better understanding of immunity, but the frequency of recommended tetanus jabs is a lot more relaxed than it used to be. When I was growing up, if you ever had a 'dirty' deep wound, they gave you a jab just in case and we had boosters about every 5 years, then it was every 10 years. Not had one for about 20 years now and when I asked about it they said if you've had more than 5 (?) then you don't need any more. Mainly administered to kids to build up the 5. That said, I have seen a horse with it and it's not nice.
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Local numbers..... (Thursday)
10,552 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 10,437 (increase 85).
6344 (increase of 47) are within the Leicester City Council area.
4178 (increase of 38) cases were reported in the County.
Death toll up by 1 to 444.
32 in- patients are positive.
Local numbers (Friday)
10,710 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 10,625 (increase 85).
6451 (increase of 44) are within the Leicester City Council area.
4259 (increase of 41) cases were reported in the County.
10,552 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 10,437 (increase 85).
6344 (increase of 47) are within the Leicester City Council area.
4178 (increase of 38) cases were reported in the County.
Death toll up by 1 to 444.
32 in- patients are positive.
Local numbers (Friday)
10,710 people in Leicestershire have tested positive - up from 10,625 (increase 85).
6451 (increase of 44) are within the Leicester City Council area.
4259 (increase of 41) cases were reported in the County.
Hindsight
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How busy is the hospital now with Covid? Increasing numbers?
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I have noticed a number of papers now identifying possible t-cell immunity of 20-50% of the population but of varying levels, even in people who have never been exposed to Covid-19, but have presumably had a corona virus from some other form, common cold etc. Whilst this would not necessarily stop you going down with Covid it could markedly lessen it's length and severity. Got to be good news. 
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In hospital last week, when was your last tetanus jab? Along time ago probably 20+ years.
Was given 1 just in case.
texas pete
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I have noticed a number of papers now identifying possible t-cell immunity of 20-50% of the population but of varying levels, even in people who have never been exposed to Covid-19, but have presumably had a corona virus from some other form, common cold etc. Whilst this would not necessarily stop you going down with Covid it could markedly lessen it's length and severity. Got to be good news.
Definitely good news. Not for our miserable Shite pedalling media though.
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I have to wonder why the Government (useless) has not introduced bulk sample testing if they are so short of capacity as claimed. We have done this in livestock testing for decades and it could reduce( or increase) the amount of tests required by a minimum of 50% and probably nearer 70 to 80% with no real reduction in accuracy. One can only assume that as the snouts in the trough brigade who run it are paid per sample they are against it.
I have to wonder why the Government (useless) has not introduced bulk sample testing if they are so short of capacity as claimed. We have done this in livestock testing for decades and it could reduce( or increase) the amount of tests required by a minimum of 50% and probably nearer 70 to 80% with no real reduction in accuracy. One can only assume that as the snouts in the trough brigade who run it are paid per sample they are against it.
Yes , maybe could get them to line up as we do for tb testing and jab them as they walk past .