The Ineos Grenadier thread

[ollie989898]

I would say ‘versatile enough to build many body styles including pickups’.

That's doublespeak for 'it was much cheaper to develop this way'.

 

[ollie989898]

Looks great if you are still living in the 1980's. What market are they going for, price from what I hear is nearly double for a normal double cab and not sure its stylish for the yummy mummy Chelsea tractor set. Why couldn't they build something that farmers/builders want to buy at a price that is competitive, hope it drives better than the old ones and is more reliable than landvrover stuff

Nissan, Toyota, Ford and Isuzu want to know your location....

 

[ollie989898]

Go to an extreme off roading event and see how many independent axles and mono chassis you see.

I think the clue is in the name: 'extreme off-roading event'. It is myth that modern SUVs can't off-road, Porsche and numerous others have done it.

 

[shumungus]

I think the clue is in the name: 'extreme off-roading event'. It is myth that modern SUVs can't off-road, Porsche and numerous others have done it.

Your two posts are contradictory.

 

[Swarfmonkey]

What market are they going for, price from what I hear is nearly double for a normal double cab and not sure its stylish for the yummy mummy Chelsea tractor set.

Word on the grapevine at work is that they’re looking at military sales as well.

UK armed forces alone have a hell of a lot of Defender variants they’ll have to replace eventually...

 

[ollie989898]

Your two posts are contradictory.

I don't believe so. Regular off-roading vs extreme offroading. There is a distinct difference.

 

[ollie989898]

Word on the grapevine at work is that they’re looking at military sales as well.

UK armed forces alone have a hell of a lot of Defender variants they’ll have to replace eventually...

Are the MoD still buying the things then? You would think they would have given up with them largely.

 

[robs1]

Nissan, Toyota, Ford and Isuzu want to know your location....

Isuzu already know, I bought a new one last sept, toyota couldnt be arsed to get me a demo despite me being 150 metres from them and then running a hilux I bought from them, nissan is next door to toyota but they wanted stupid price, quite liked the Ford but the Isuzu dealer was determined to get the deal. The standard of the various salesmen was pretty poor, some couldnt be arsed to get off their backsides and leave their offices, most were young cocky lads that try and bull sh!t you, the Isuzu guy was 67, no crap best price first time, it's no coincidence that there are loads of Dmax round here now.

 

[Yale]

People buy G Wagens or Mercedes would not make them.

They have to be as good or better than a G Wagen

 

[ollie989898]

People buy G Wagens or Mercedes would not make them.

They have to be as good or better than a G Wagen

The G wagen is a hell of a machine, I agree. The price tag however, is not on the scale of a Japanese pickup.

 

[hally]

I think the clue is in the name: 'extreme off-roading event'. It is myth that modern SUVs can't off-road, Porsche and numerous others have done it.

No it isn’t we have had bmw and volvo suv here , we live about a mile off a tarmac road so they spend a good bit of time on grass and even with snow tyres ( which we run all year round usually ) they are crap, disco now surprisingly good even on the standard road tyres .

 

[Swarfmonkey]

@ollie989898

There’s huge numbers of them in service, a testament to the Meccano-kit-on-wheels design of the original Defender. They’ve been looking for a replacement for a while but nothing in commercial production currently available fits the bill.

 

[ollie989898]

Isuzu already know, I bought a new one last sept, toyota couldnt be arsed to get me a demo despite me being 150 metres from them and then running a hilux I bought from them, nissan is next door to toyota but they wanted stupid price, quite liked the Ford but the Isuzu dealer was determined to get the deal. The standard of the various salesmen was pretty poor, some couldnt be arsed to get off their backsides and leave their offices, most were young cocky lads that try and bull sh!t you, the Isuzu guy was 67, no crap best price first time, it's no coincidence that there are loads of Dmax round here now.

I could sell Toyota pick ups to farmers all day. Literally just churn them out for 20K a pop before options and get them fixed up on an annual warranty so they keep coming back. Toyota used to have a reputation for good customer service.

I will never understand how brands with a decent product manage to fudge it up. It's like Volvo diggers. You literally cannot go wrong.

 

[ollie989898]

@ollie989898

There’s huge numbers of them in service, a testament to the Meccano-kit-on-wheels design of the original Defender. They’ve been looking for a replacement for a while but nothing in commercial production currently available fits the bill.

I think the MoD's procurement policy had a lot more on it's mind than just that....

 

[ollie989898]

No it isn’t we have had bmw and volvo suv here , we live about a mile off a tarmac road so they spend a good bit of time on grass and even with snow tyres ( which we run all year round usually ) they are crap, disco now surprisingly good even on the standard road tyres .

Neither of those machines have the necessary refinements to the drivetrain for that.

 

[ollie989898]

 

[robs1]

I could sell Toyota pick ups to farmers all day. Literally just churn them out for 20K a pop before options and get them fixed up on an annual warranty so they keep coming back. Toyota used to have a reputation for good customer service.

I will never understand how brands with a decent product manage to fudge it up. It's like Volvo diggers. You literally cannot go wrong.

When I went to the toyota garage I wanted to buy another hilux as mine had been faultless except for one sensor in nearly ten years and 85,000 miles, this time I wanted to have an auto box not manual so wanted to drive one, lad said you will have to go to Bristol 28 miles away, I said I bought my current one here, no you didnt he said, I said you were still in school when I bought mine and as I live 150 metres up the road I think I know where I bought it, still said I had to go to Bristol , I just left , life must be too easy for them

 

[Swarfmonkey]

I think the MoD's procurement policy had a lot more on it's mind than just that....

I’m not sure you’d want to know the utter insanity of MoD procurement ?

Stuff bought off the shelf, say the HX40, does the job. Stuff that they dream up like FRES amounts to bugger all and wastes eye watering amounts of money.

 

[ollie989898]

When I went to the toyota garage I wanted to buy another hilux as mine had been faultless except for one sensor in nearly ten years and 85,000 miles, this time I wanted to have an auto box not manual so wanted to drive one, lad said you will have to go to Bristol 28 miles away, I said I bought my current one here, no you didnt he said, I said you were still in school when I bought mine and as I live 150 metres up the road I think I know where I bought it, still said I had to go to Bristol , I just left , life must be too easy for them

I think anyone working in a serious car dealership needs to have their total cranium chip installed before they are allowed on the shop floor. Your anecdote is similar to many others I have heard. Criminal really.

 

[hally]

Are the MoD still buying the things then? You would think they would have given up with them largely.

I would hope so after all the casualties we had in those things overseas, not suitable for modern warfare at all.