The joys of planning permission

[holwellcourtfarm]

I once had a bloke turn up on site. Same thing, come wandering over told us he was from planning and we was in breach, I didn’t have a clue cause customer sorted planning. After a bit of conversation I asked him for some id cause what he was saying didn’t make sense, I don’t have any he said, despite a card hung around his kneck. Crafty barsteward wasn’t even from planning, just a jealous nimby bloke from down the road

Oh for video proof

I don't know about councils but it is a criminal offence to impersonate a police officer or a warranted EA officer

 

[ollandroverman]

What you quite often find is that people don't care about 'due process' and doing things the right way , they just want to cry like babies when something happens they don't like.
Be thankful they don't keep an eye on the Planning system, they may well do in fututre.

I was involved in an altercation yesterday during a meeting with the clients, architect and myself (builder). The neighbours were apocalyptic with rage due to planning being granted, stormed onto the property to interrupt our meeting, threatened to get the planning decision revoked ( Impossible, legal due process had been followed) and then resorted to foul language and threats of violence! They were escorted from the property.
I'm going to have fun working next to them!

 

[renewablejohn]

Got a strange one at the moment. Neighbor to one of our fields has put in for planning using the architectural "eco" rules but making out they own part of my land using the entrance to our field. I am aware anyone can put an application in even if they dont own the land but surely if they get planning then they would still need to negotiate access arrangements with the land owner.

 

[Tom_o_m]

Got a strange one at the moment. Neighbor to one of our fields has put in for planning using the architectural "eco" rules but making out they own part of my land using the entrance to our field. I am aware anyone can put an application in even if they dont own the land but surely if they get planning then they would still need to negotiate access arrangements with the land owner.

Sounds like a nice pay day is on the cards!

 

[ollie989898]

I was involved in an altercation yesterday during a meeting with the clients, architect and myself (builder). The neighbours were apocalyptic with rage due to planning being granted, stormed onto the property to interrupt our meeting, threatened to get the planning decision revoked ( Impossible, legal due process had been followed) and then resorted to foul language and threats of violence! They were escorted from the property.
I'm going to have fun working next to them!

Videos man, videos!

 

[Tarw Coch]

Videos man, videos!

The difficulty being filming him without him realising, he's almost sure to wind his neck in if he realises he's being filmed and where's the fun in that.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Got a strange one at the moment. Neighbor to one of our fields has put in for planning using the architectural "eco" rules but making out they own part of my land using the entrance to our field. I am aware anyone can put an application in even if they dont own the land but surely if they get planning then they would still need to negotiate access arrangements with the land owner.

If they're making out they own part of your land they're telling blatant lies. You could ether point this out to the planners or let it run its course and if he gets planning presumably he will need to buy a bit of land off you, at which point you're in the driving seat, how much money would you like to extract from him...........or if he's the sort you don't like then he's wasted his efforts so far. He has no absolute right to purchase land off you.

 

[ollandroverman]

Videos man, videos!

Blockbuster?

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Got a strange one at the moment. Neighbor to one of our fields has put in for planning using the architectural "eco" rules but making out they own part of my land using the entrance to our field. I am aware anyone can put an application in even if they dont own the land but surely if they get planning then they would still need to negotiate access arrangements with the land owner.

If the planning application red boundary line includes land which you own then they should have issued you with a certificate B when they submitted the planning application. If you have not received a Certificate B then you are well within your rights to kick up a stink with the planners who will most likely ask the applicants to issue you with a Certificate B, this will undoubtedly reset the planning permission clock back to the beginning of the 8 weeks!

 

[coomoo]

Utter utter useless scum no end of bother here with and that’s us and professionals following the letter of the law. The only v very slight concession I’ll give them is being understaffed.

 

[Tom_o_m]

I was involved in an altercation yesterday during a meeting with the clients, architect and myself (builder). The neighbours were apocalyptic with rage due to planning being granted, stormed onto the property to interrupt our meeting, threatened to get the planning decision revoked ( Impossible, legal due process had been followed) and then resorted to foul language and threats of violence! They were escorted from the property.
I'm going to have fun working next to them!

Maybe buy a cheap trail camera from Amazon. You get a lot for your money now and it will do a discreet job of taking photos and videos of any meddling, day or night. We use them to see when deer are around, but they work just as well on two legged intruders.

 

[renewablejohn]

If the planning application red boundary line includes land which you own then they should have issued you with a certificate B when they submitted the planning application. If you have not received a Certificate B then you are well within your rights to kick up a stink with the planners who will most likely ask the applicants to issue you with a Certificate B, this will undoubtedly reset the planning permission clock back to the beginning of the 8 weeks!

Not heard of this certificate B. Is it something I should ask for. The Architects seem a bit shady even though RIBA. I have challenged them over there red line plan including my land and another land owners land but when you load up their aerial plan of the proposed house its built up in layers. The original layer shows the right boundaries but then the house is overlaid and finally the trees which fills in the area owned by third parties making it look like the whole site.belongs to their client.

 

[ollandroverman]

Not heard of this certificate B. Is it something I should ask for. The Architects seem a bit shady even though RIBA. I have challenged them over there red line plan including my land and another land owners land but when you load up their aerial plan of the proposed house its built up in layers. The original layer shows the right boundaries but then the house is overlaid and finally the trees which fills in the area owned by third parties making it look like the whole site.belongs to their client.

The RIBA bit is required by law to be able to call your self an architect.

 

[George from SJM Planning]

Not heard of this certificate B. Is it something I should ask for. The Architects seem a bit shady even though RIBA. I have challenged them over there red line plan including my land and another land owners land but when you load up their aerial plan of the proposed house its built up in layers. The original layer shows the right boundaries but then the house is overlaid and finally the trees which fills in the area owned by third parties making it look like the whole site.belongs to their client.

Copied from a local authority website:

There are various ownership certificates which are referred to nationally as certificates A, B, C or D. The applicant must complete and submit only one of these certificates with their planning application.
 Certificate A is completed if the applicant is the only owner of all the land within the boundaries of the application site. If the applicant is not the only owner then they must complete one of the following alternative certificates.
 Certificate B is completed if the applicant knows the names and addresses of all the other owners of the land involved in the application
 Certificate C is completed if the applicant knows the names and addresses of some, but not all, the other owners of the land involved in the application, and
 Certificate D is completed if the applicant does not know the names and addresses of any of the other owners of the land involved in the application

With certificates B and C the applicant has to serve a written notice (a blank version of which is provided with the application forms) on the owner(s) that the applicant knows the names of, telling him/her that the applicant is making the planning application. Verbal notification alone is not sufficient. For certificates C and D the applicant also has to advertise in the local press the fact that he/she is making the application and does not know the names of the owner(s) of some or all of the land. The applicant must send a copy of the published notice to us with their application forms.

 

[McD]

Got a strange one at the moment. Neighbor to one of our fields has put in for planning using the architectural "eco" rules but making out they own part of my land using the entrance to our field. I am aware anyone can put an application in even if they dont own the land but surely if they get planning then they would still need to negotiate access arrangements with the land owner.

We had something similar. Someone bought a house beside us and the put in a application for a extension with a new drive onto our land. Spoke to the planners and they weren't interested. Said it was between us and them not the planners. Put in an objection and it still passed. The people sold the house without building the extension and the new people changed the plans but i was amazed at the neck of the original people and the response of the planners.

 

[tepapa]

Access to a site is worth a third of the final value of whole developed site. Be it one house or twenty.

 

[renewablejohn]

We had something similar. Someone bought a house beside us and the put in a application for a extension with a new drive onto our land. Spoke to the planners and they weren't interested. Said it was between us and them not the planners. Put in an objection and it still passed. The people sold the house without building the extension and the new people changed the plans but i was amazed at the neck of the original people and the response of the planners.

These people are very similar. They carved a track up the hillside using our gateway and dumped soil on our track contaminated with Japanese Knotweed. The council where informed but nobody wanted to know as they could not establish at the time the owner of the land. Obviously the owner has now declared himself but I bet he denies any knowledge of the access road being put in.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

These people are very similar. They carved a track up the hillside using our gateway and dumped soil on our track contaminated with Japanese Knotweed. The council where informed but nobody wanted to know as they could not establish at the time the owner of the land. Obviously the owner has now declared himself but I bet he denies any knowledge of the access road being put in.

Legal action. Now!

Japanese knotweed is a HUGE issue.

 

[Tarw Coch]

Access to a site is worth a third of the final value of whole developed site. Be it one house or twenty.

The site ain't worth a lot without access.
It depends how much the owner of the access wants the money and/or development on their doorstep.

 

[renewablejohn]

Legal action. Now!

Japanese knotweed is a HUGE issue.

Sure they included the Japanese knotweed in on purpose to stop others removing it but I cannot see how you could legally prove it.Will wait until the planners have finished as it could end up as a planning requirement that the roadway is reinstated and the Japanese knotweed is removed. Might as well give the council lawyers something to do.