The madness of “one size fits all “

[ollie989898]

If you had an IR that you didn't like the look of, there was nothing to stop them having an accident and being culled that way. Struck by lightning, broke leg, heart attack, etc.

Don't see the issue if you sent them for slaughter, they inspect for lesions anyway? Have the best of it for the freezer?

 

[countryman765]

If you had an IR that you didn't like the look of, there was nothing to stop them having an accident and being culled that way. Struck by lightning, broke leg, heart attack, etc.

Don't see the issue if you sent them for slaughter, they inspect for lesions anyway? Have the best of it for the freezer?

The issue is animal health want to skin test irs to see if the disease was there.

 

[ollie989898]

The issue is animal health want to skin test irs to see if the disease was there.

As you can appreciate their priority is different to yours.

It should be the farmers underlying priority to rid his farm of the disease as soon as possible. Given that a single infected animal can be riddled with the stuff, not showing any symptoms and so be spreading it to her herd mates (and the humans on the farm, potentially) it is in everyones interests that they detect and remove these beasts as soon as possible. If you have an IR then short-cutting the process makes sense to me as you are rid of a source of infection even sooner and thus are protecting the non-infected cattle you have.

 

[davidroberts30]

As you can appreciate their priority is different to yours.

It should be the farmers underlying priority to rid his farm of the disease as soon as possible. Given that a single infected animal can be riddled with the stuff, not showing any symptoms and so be spreading it to her herd mates (and the humans on the farm, potentially) it is in everyones interests that they detect and remove these beasts as soon as possible. If you have an IR then short-cutting the process makes sense to me as you are rid of a source of infection even sooner and thus are protecting the non-infected cattle you have.

That's what I told them and did

 

[ollie989898]

That's what I told them and did

I suspect the ministry mind, has no real inclination to see the back of the disease as it keeps them in jobs and like most people who in the apparatus of government they have little appreciation for how policies affect the lives of everyday people and business owners.

I don't understand why they are so numpty about IRs, they are inspected at slaughter anyway.

 

[Princess Pooper]

A had a client had a single IR which was ready to go finished. It was the only animal that would have been tested again 60 days later. (He is a young lad new to this game - most of us would have offloaded it before we tested). He obviously wanted it gone, because it would go over-fat as well as if it was infected he didn't want it on the farm. So he phoned APHA and asked them and they said fine and gave him a licence and it went to the local abattoir. Then a couple of weeks later he had a phone call from APHA saying it shouldn't have been allowed to go etc. They were OK about it because he was about to hear that he had been picked up for a radial test so would have to test everything again in 60 days anyway, but it was their fault because they gave him the wrong advice and issued the licence!

 

[Spear]

Seems to be very mixed advice and rules. Know of someone who on last test had 1 IR, asked if he could slaughter it, they said yes but would have to culture test it even if no lesions found and if animal passed it would count as a clear test!!

 

[Bald Rick]

So that’s it. Final “normal” skin test is clear so we can resume trading once official conformation is in my sticky hand.
No animals killed returned any evidence of bTB from examination or cultures.
Hey ho

 

[matthew]

So that’s it. Final “normal” skin test is clear so we can resume trading once official conformation is in my sticky hand.
No animals killed returned any evidence of bTB from examination or cultures.
Hey ho

Very pleased for you.

 

[AGN76]

Nice work @Bald Rick

 

[Bald Rick]

Very pleased for you.

Still don’t really believe we were infected tbh but will no longer be blasé when the next test comes round

 

[matthew]

Update from me:

http://bovinetb.blogspot.com/2019/05/natural-england-defra-how-to-kill-cull.html

 

[organicguy]

Update from me:

http://bovinetb.blogspot.com/2019/05/natural-england-defra-how-to-kill-cull.html

Matthew, sorry to read your blog, it has been an invaluable source of information for me for 10 years and I have referred may people to it when trying to explain TB in all its ramifications. I do not believe anyone has done more to try to rid this country of this blight. Thank you.

 

[gone up the hill]

Update from me:

http://bovinetb.blogspot.com/2019/05/natural-england-defra-how-to-kill-cull.html

This is indeed a sad time hearing you are now stopping the blog @matthew

On the fox issue, what a load of complete bulls**t and quite clearly the new head of Natural England is advising/ behind trying to stop the badger culls/ shooting of rooks etc!

NE need to be very carefull with their agenda and how far they are pushing/ alienating farmers because if they carry on like they have been the last few weeks with their anti shooting agenda of any predator/ badgers etc and they will push farmers beyond their limits and it will be a free for all!

Also on the ground nesting issue of birds, the NFU should start a legal challenge asking NE to prove beyond any doubt that badgers aren't behind and so called demise ( as well all know its BS ) of ground nesting birds.

 

[Mr Mackay]

Thank You Matthew

 

[matthew]

The site will remain as a monument to the duplicitous rubbish we get fed from the Ministry of whatever they call themselves this week.

There should have been an industry challenge to the tag on of gamma ifn, to the cull areas two years ago. NE got away with it, a precedent was set, legal contracts can be broken and nobody cares.

Thank you all for the support and the info. I’ve made some good friends and had an up close and personal relationship with Special Branch.
We live in interesting times..
Matt