The most dangerous man in the world

[Jackson4]

Hmmph..

It's a sorry state of affairs when seemingly educated people imagine that they're making an argument when they try to tie together two unrelated issues - gun ownership has nothing to do with refugee policy.

All those deep thinkers who reckon otherwise, should try this for size ('cos it's the same, fallacious, argument): "I don't see why France is bothered in the slightest by terrorist killings, when they've lost far more people in heat waves".

The argument made is valid though i suppose subtle for some to grasp, because of the motive, twunt wants to control muslims in case of the terror of them killing american men/women/children, yet doesnt want to control recreational use of assault rifles, handguns, machine guns which terrorise american men//women/children in vastly higher numbers, but because americans killing there own is somehow acceptable.. because they really have a need to play with a machine gun etc etc.

Saying its not valid by comparing it to heatwaves is a little silly as governments arent in charge of heatwaves, nor is saying ban cars then as they kill more? cars are needed to make society function, they provide numerous massive benefits to all parts of a society and economy, a little different to saying over the counter 'give me that sub machine gun man i want go shoot stuff!/people.

 

[milkloss]

A lot of people on here thinking guns are spawn of satan. I bet there's some on here that wouldn't mind being able to put a few pellets up some pikeys arse whilst he's dancing off down the road with your landrover/quad bike/chainsaw.

I'm of the firm belief that if scum bags knew they could be shot, they probably wouldn't be doing half what they get up to. If y our worried about a criminal getting hold of guns, well they're criminals, idiot, they got guns anyhow.

 

[Castle Farm]

Most of us on here I imagine live out in the country away from cities and the hundreds of loonies that walk the streets. At any time one of them could attack the nearest person to them, could be a mental health case or someone with faith issues.
The only way to combat that threat is to remove the problem from our streets.
All very well saying it's against their human rights.

Tell that to the relatives of the Paris atrocities. Some one needs to grow a set of balls and shut down schools and places where these nutters are turned into murdering scum..

 

[james7]

Following this thread with interest, I realise I don't know much about the Muslim demographics in Europe or even the whole world so having searched the web I came across this clip which I found very enlightening. It seemed to be factual as the figures from today can be checked.

There was also a video showing that Obama is himself, a muslim, something we have heard rumoured but it seems that he is. I wonder if this is one of the reasons Trump is having such an effect?

Of course these clips will not be to everyone's tastes but I like to take in as much info as I can before sharing my profound wisdom.....as I'm sure we all do!

 

[RobFZS]

There was an African American lady on the news earlier being interviewed, she said she and others might not agree with everything trump says, but trump gets the job done, so that seems to be the way he carries on with support, it's no good calling people bigots or racists because 1. they probably don't know what the words even mean and 2. they wouldn't care either way, not sure what calling someone a name for calling other people names is going to achieve anyway.

 

[roscoe erf]

Immigration isn't all bad. Next time your at the doctors or in hospital take note of where most of the doctors and surgeons came from.

That's a sad reflection on what this country has become producer of nothing importer of everything

 

[Robigus]

A lot of people on here thinking guns are spawn of satan. I bet there's some on here that wouldn't mind being able to put a few pellets up some pikeys arse whilst he's dancing off down the road with your landrover/quad bike/chainsaw.

I'm of the firm belief that if scum bags knew they could be shot, they probably wouldn't be doing half what they get up to. If y our worried about a criminal getting hold of guns, well they're criminals, idiot, they got guns anyhow.

The point, which is proved by countries that shoot first and ask second, is that you just start an arms race and next time they will come back with bigger and more guns than you.

 

[Kidds]

I have guns, quite a lot of guns too. All legal, all above board.
I can't imagine ever shooting anybody and can't really understand why anybody should have military weapons such as machine guns or semi automatic high calibre rifles.
I have never owned a handgun and now it's against the law here anyway. I would like to have one but to be quite honest it will not affect my life to not have one.
What would quite possibly affect my life would be other people allowed to carry them. We have our fair share of loonies just as the US does. I'm quite glad our loonies are not allowed handguns and can imagine there are an incredible amount of loonies in the US that aren't safe to have them. The deaths by handguns figures will back that one up.

 

[cudota]

Max Hastings of the Daily Mail is blaming our politicians for lie'ing and treating us like idiots for the rise of Trump and Le Pen and of the right wing

 

[Pedders]

Darth Trump... a must watch

 

[banjo]

He's nuts, we all know it but so have all the presidents in the USA for years!
Nixon, conman paid thousands to have Jimmy Hoffa bopped off by the mafia leading to watergate scandal trying to hide the evidence. Reagan Iran contra deals, Johnson was bent as f**k and his mister meaners would fill the page including having a part in killing Kennedy.
And then there's the bush nutters, father bush was cia head when Wilson was pushed out of government here by a rougue mi5 bunch who created a coupe in our own country during the 70s cia was running that bunch, the army actualy surrounded Heathrow and parliament. two weeks later Kennedy was assassinated. He was always blamed for that by Wilson, all documented stuff. His son invaded a country because he was pee'd off and killed thousands, utter nutcase! Obama can't do anything and he realises it, complete waste of time.
Here's a bit of history that people forget, Enoch Powell is lambasted these days by everyone, but his rant won the conservatives that election, the people loved it.
He's no dafter than the rest of the American presidents before, the difference is he doesn't try to hide it!

 

[thesilentone]

Good debate, I would like our American friends to help a little more so we can try and get a further understanding of why so many Guns are needed in America. Or is it as simple as the NRA having a vested interest in the Gun distribution/sales network ?
Culture, OK I can buy into that, however massacres in Schools?? which civilised Nation or People could condone that, and not see the whole Politics surrounding the Gun Culture is destroying there World standing.

20 years ago I got caught speeding in the USA, the aggressive attitude of the Policeman who stopped me was shocking (I was doing 70 on a duel carriageway the limit was 55). He gave a feeling to me at the time that as a visitor I had disrespected the laws, and he could ' Throw me in Jail ' if he wanted. If this attitude is reflected throughout the Police Force, then I am not surprised that internally the USA has gone backwards in the last 20 years.

His attitude scared me, but it did not overshadow or change our view of the USA or the people, we have returned many times since.

 

[Jackson4]

A lot of people on here thinking guns are spawn of satan. I bet there's some on here that wouldn't mind being able to put a few pellets up some pikeys arse whilst he's dancing off down the road with your landrover/quad bike/chainsaw.

I'm of the firm belief that if scum bags knew they could be shot, they probably wouldn't be doing half what they get up to. If y our worried about a criminal getting hold of guns, well they're criminals, idiot, they got guns anyhow.

The trouble is you have got one scumbag who has tried hard to get guns and is dangerous, to combat this you are suggesting we arm thousands of nuts and scumbags, tens of thousands of the mentally frail idiots and hundreds of thousands who struggle through life depressed, poor, extremists left and right etc etc and allow them recreational use of military weapons, many arent competent enough to not injur themselves doing diy


Its not a way of making society safer. Those with a need should have them, armed police, quick response police for getting crims/religious nuts, the army for wars and guns for pest control as it stands now.

Personally, if anyone in society is found with an illegal weapon they should be sent to a work camp of some sort, crack rocks, dig with spades etc for 10 hours a day.. failing that i'd pay more tax to stick them in jail etc. Look at some of the strict societies like japan or saudi arabia crime is very low. It could be done. Society doesnt need weapons designed to kill floating about.
Starting to sound like demolition man

 

[Hilly]

Well ive seen the news clips and trump would get my vote, he talking plain senses as far as im concerned, just the sort we need here !!!!! GO Donald !!

 

[Woolgatherer]

The thing that scares me about Trump is his ego. We saw this here in Scotland over his golf course. When someone disagrees with him, he gets into such a strop, throws all sorts of threats and ultimatums about. He won't listen to anyone else's opinion, in fact he doesn't listen full stop. Now this is possibly one of the reasons he's been a success in business, but as potential president, I think he is extremely dangerous. As U.S. President, don't forget, he'll have access to the button to launch nuclear weapons. I would hope that the person with that sort of power would be diplomatic, cautious and overall, very sensible. All attributes that Trump does not appear to have.

 

[Muck Spreader]

If anything ever encourages me to buy a gun it's probably the prospect of Donald Trump becoming president.

 

[cudota]

The trouble is you have got one scumbag who has tried hard to get guns and is dangerous, to combat this you are suggesting we arm thousands of nuts and scumbags, tens of thousands of the mentally frail idiots and hundreds of thousands who struggle through life depressed, poor, extremists left and right etc etc and allow them recreational use of military weapons, many arent competent enough to not injur themselves doing diy


Its not a way of making society safer. Those with a need should have them, armed police, quick response police for getting crims/religious nuts, the army for wars and guns for pest control as it stands now.

Personally, if anyone in society is found with an illegal weapon they should be sent to a work camp of some sort, crack rocks, dig with spades etc for 10 hours a day.. failing that i'd pay more tax to stick them in jail etc. Look at some of the strict societies like japan or saudi arabia crime is very low. It could be done. Society doesnt need weapons designed to kill floating about.
Starting to sound like demolition man

Is it not saudi thats funding a war at the moment

 

[Oat]

Does Trump actually believe a lot of things he says, or is he just saying them to raise the issues?. As he is not a politician he can easily criticise the current system because he is not part of it. Established politicians find it harder to criticise as they are often part of the system.

If Trump did actually get into power, would he (or more importantly the people around him) actually allow him to go ahead with some of his extreme policy suggestions? For example would the Democrats be able to over-rule him in the Senate?- apologies if this is incorrect, I'm not sure who has a majority at the moment or if the Senate can completely veto the president

 

[banjo]

Regarding the amount if guns held by people, that's a hard one. Their constitution allows it and gives the people the rights to bring arms against a corrupt government ( as happend in the civil war against us I suppose ) there are nutters everywhere and most who kill people in this country have no rifle licence and there no one alowed to hold a handgun anyway, so most killings are done by handgun, so it hasn't stopped gun crime here!
There was a documentary one day showing that 200 ileagal handguns come into Britain through the Chunnel every week from Europe, so the criminals will still have them even if we don't!
America is an odd place, but it's managed to rule the world for most of my lifetime and will go downhill eventually, but I'm a strong believer in people being able to hold a corrupt government to account so I'm kind of jeoluus of there right to bear arms, ours was took off us to stop us turning on our government.

 

[milkloss]

The point, which is proved by countries that shoot first and ask second, is that you just start an arms race and next time they will come back with bigger and more guns than you.

Well I'm not so sure. The chancers nicking TVs so they can buy thier next wrap of smack won't come back with a gun I shouldn't think and many others roaming the countryside simply wouldn't take the chance. It's serious stuff to be caught with an unlicensed firearm. Licensing more people to have firearms is more likely to form some form of self regulation for fear the legal owners lose thier right. Long argument I will agree, see Jackson comment below for punishing illegal gun owners!

Personally, if anyone in society is found with an illegal weapon they should be sent to a work camp of some sort, crack rocks, dig with spades etc for 10 hours a day.. failing that i'd pay more tax to stick them in jail etc. Look at some of the strict societies like japan or saudi arabia crime is very low. It could be done. Society doesnt need weapons designed to kill floating about.
Starting to sound like demolition man

Yeh, caught with a gun we'll just chop thier hands off....great!...