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[TelesnaAg]

If you ever watch Dave Janda he reckons it was a Chinese sub that had gone rogue

No was NK sub...its still in hawaii, they got surrounded and captured so they surrended.

The explosion at the nuclear facility wasnt NKs doing

Fat kim learnt that DT had some bite not like obama....now he wants to go down the open up nk and make it a nice country road...thats what they have told him to do...

Ant...

 

[TelesnaAg]

No point trying to explain the destruction the free market has caused to a welfare recipient...its like explaining the benefits of working to someone on the dole....they never gonna believe it.

Dole bludggers and globalist are all the same....the dirt under my fingernails at best.

Ant...

 

[ollie989898]

Do you have one Ollie ?

Just read your last sentance about private enterprise and relate that to how Heath bargained away private fishermens lives and businesses using Quotas.

Then have a think about EU Tariffs and UK agricultural quotas .. Belgium importing milk into the UK when 3,000 UK dairy farmers went out of business.

Then have a think how 30,000 UK Steel workers lost their jobs because China dumped steel on UK markets whilst the USA put 250% tariffs on imported Steel.

When prices rise what choice has the UK got ? Where is the "Private Enterprise" ?

In fact lets have a good look at that Nuclear power station at Hinckely point .. the UK used to MAKE nuclear power stations and have nuclear scientists .. what have we got now ? What choice do we have ? Where is the "Private Enterprise" ?

All those skills lost and gone and no money to rebuild them.

Looks to me as though current policy doesn't exist at all.

Fishing now is it?

You remember that the industry was buggered by overfishing. Twas ever thus. New Zealand to date has the only half sensible fishing policy. Affected many European fishing fleets, such is the nature of quotas. I can provide a graph if you like?

The UK nuclear power program! LOL, my pet subject. It was, is and remains a fudging joke right from the word go.
The British, as is usual, had to fudge about because they did not have ant domestic capacity to build pressure vessels of the required size. In fact, they had to fudge their designs because there existing no nuclear supply chain for things like boilers and steam generators, they all had to be sourced from domestic businesses who were turning them out for other applications. This might also explain why the UK now has about 50,000 tonnes of radioactive graphite to find a home for and endless tons of magnesium swarf that you can't store in air and can't store in water either. Yet another grade A cock up. Meanwhile France, Canada, the USA and Russia all cottoned on to the fact that actually they had the right design in the first instance. Not so the British who messed around and ended up with a reactor fleet with zero commonality and to date the sole other user of such a peculiar and backward design was none other than North Korea!

Why is the Nuclear industry in the UK dead? Well, for starters, we have not designed, much less built a reactor in this country for decades and the government quite rightly got fed up footing the bill for ever more hair brained schemes dreamt up by BNFL. Why are EDF now running our reactor fleet? The short answer is no other company would touch it with a bargepole, they are a fudging liability to operate and no one has a clue how you go about decommissioning them as they are all bespoke builds. In return, EDF are going to build 4 of their own reactors and have a cast iron agreement with the UK government for the next few decades. Why else would they bother themselves running a load of old tea kettles which are comparatively tiny and so backward in their design?

Why are UK companies not building the steam generators and pressure vessels for Hinkley point C? Very simple, no company in the UK has the ability to produce them, nor have they experience to do so. Yes Rolls Royce know how to build a reactor the size of a dustbin for a submarine, not something you struggle to fit in a 50 foot cube. American, Chinese, French, Japanese, German (and Russian) companies have built dozens of these things, and as such have the ability to forge huge pieces of steel weighing hundreds of tonnes. Very few companies in the world can do this, hence the lead time for these components is very long. The UK has never built these designs domestically and so the supply chain simply does not exist.

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Much the same of your vaunted British nationalised industry has borne fruit in the form of many cock ups. Would you like me to list the multitude of projects carried out at the behest of the MOD, the vast majority of which were a catalogue of failures it would be a laugh were it not for the vast sums of tax payers money involved?

The steel industry! ho ho ho, another pet subject of mine. Would you care to see a list of the worlds top steel producers?

Here:

As you can see the UK does not figure on this. Margins in the steel industry are notorious for being very low, in fact, the Scunthorpe works only just returned to profit last year, after Tata flogged the entire plant for a quid in the wake of over 10 years of losses. This might explain why the steel industry is now so heavily automated:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a27043/steel-mill-austria-automated/

14 blokes in white coats sat on swivel chairs churn out 500,000 tonnes of steel a year. The UK only produces 12-14 million tonnes a year in total.

Again, I am still confused by who or what is a welfare recipient on this thread. It seems a recurring theme, along with overtly avoiding arguments that can't be effectively handled. Try sticking to the point more.

Globalisation isn't going away. Never before have consumers and investors had access to so much choice. With modern communications and freight services, largely brought about by the USAs involvement in Vietnam and the Cold war, anyone can buy anything anywhere. I have sourced my wellingtons from America the past 3 times as the product I wanted simply was not stocked in the UK. Should I buy a 'British' product out of patriotism? How do I know the product is even manufactured in this country? Just what is a 'British' company anyway? Is it owned by British shareholders, does it even employ British people, and if so how many out of their total labour pool globally? Does it have multiple sites and one just happens to be in the UK? If they are based in Britain, what guarantee have I that they have paid any tax on their activities in the UK? What if they DO employ actual genuine Brits in a British factory, should I go and buy a Vauxhall then, isn't that owned by PSA, a French company, which has been fronted by the French government and used that finance to develop an overseas manufacturing partnership, in China of all places?! Heaven forbid!! And now they have plans to trade in North America, isn't that going to do Ford workers out of a job? Oh my giddy aunt, here comes Trump to tariff everyone out of business. Maybe I should have bought a Honda....

 

[bluegreen]

you actually have no idea of the chess match in play between Trump and the Deep State central bankers, the trade war with China is all part of the game to relieve the world of these corrupt parasites and their infatuation with starting wars everywhere so they can make money from both sides of a conflict!!
Globalization in its current form, with its current CB controllers is whats going to be destroyed, not globalization as means of trade. Unfortunately we live in the country run by these barstewards and have most to lose from their demise, but go they must!!
The whole Russian Skripal nonsense is a sign of the banker/ politicos desperation to regain the narrative, but thanks to that buffoon Johnson its all blowing up in their faces. Those idiots in Westminster have just humiliated the whole country, although most here are too brainwashed by the establishment to realize it.

 

[wanton dwarf]

Fishing now is it?

You remember that the industry was buggered by overfishing. Twas ever thus. New Zealand to date has the only half sensible fishing policy. Affected many European fishing fleets, such is the nature of quotas. I can provide a graph if you like?

The UK nuclear power program! LOL, my pet subject. It was, is and remains a fudging joke right from the word go.
The British, as is usual, had to fudge about because they did not have ant domestic capacity to build pressure vessels of the required size. In fact, they had to fudge their designs because there existing no nuclear supply chain for things like boilers and steam generators, they all had to be sourced from domestic businesses who were turning them out for other applications. This might also explain why the UK now has about 50,000 tonnes of radioactive graphite to find a home for and endless tons of magnesium swarf that you can't store in air and can't store in water either. Yet another grade A cock up. Meanwhile France, Canada, the USA and Russia all cottoned on to the fact that actually they had the right design in the first instance. Not so the British who messed around and ended up with a reactor fleet with zero commonality and to date the sole other user of such a peculiar and backward design was none other than North Korea!

Why is the Nuclear industry in the UK dead? Well, for starters, we have not designed, much less built a reactor in this country for decades and the government quite rightly got fed up footing the bill for ever more hair brained schemes dreamt up by BNFL. Why are EDF now running our reactor fleet? The short answer is no other company would touch it with a bargepole, they are a fudging liability to operate and no one has a clue how you go about decommissioning them as they are all bespoke builds. In return, EDF are going to build 4 of their own reactors and have a cast iron agreement with the UK government for the next few decades. Why else would they bother themselves running a load of old tea kettles which are comparatively tiny and so backward in their design?

Why are UK companies not building the steam generators and pressure vessels for Hinkley point C? Very simple, no company in the UK has the ability to produce them, nor have they experience to do so. Yes Rolls Royce know how to build a reactor the size of a dustbin for a submarine, not something you struggle to fit in a 50 foot cube. American, Chinese, French, Japanese, German (and Russian) companies have built dozens of these things, and as such have the ability to forge huge pieces of steel weighing hundreds of tonnes. Very few companies in the world can do this, hence the lead time for these components is very long. The UK has never built these designs domestically and so the supply chain simply does not exist.

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Much the same of your vaunted British nationalised industry has borne fruit in the form of many cock ups. Would you like me to list the multitude of projects carried out at the behest of the MOD, the vast majority of which were a catalogue of failures it would be a laugh were it not for the vast sums of tax payers money involved?

The steel industry! ho ho ho, another pet subject of mine. Would you care to see a list of the worlds top steel producers?

Here:

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As you can see the UK does not figure on this. Margins in the steel industry are notorious for being very low, in fact, the Scunthorpe works only just returned to profit last year, after Tata flogged the entire plant for a quid in the wake of over 10 years of losses. This might explain why the steel industry is now so heavily automated:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a27043/steel-mill-austria-automated/

14 blokes in white coats sat on swivel chairs churn out 500,000 tonnes of steel a year. The UK only produces 12-14 million tonnes a year in total.

Again, I am still confused by who or what is a welfare recipient on this thread. It seems a recurring theme, along with overtly avoiding arguments that can't be effectively handled. Try sticking to the point more.

Globalisation isn't going away. Never before have consumers and investors had access to so much choice. With modern communications and freight services, largely brought about by the USAs involvement in Vietnam and the Cold war, anyone can buy anything anywhere. I have sourced my wellingtons from America the past 3 times as the product I wanted simply was not stocked in the UK. Should I buy a 'British' product out of patriotism? How do I know the product is even manufactured in this country? Just what is a 'British' company anyway? Is it owned by British shareholders, does it even employ British people, and if so how many out of their total labour pool globally? Does it have multiple sites and one just happens to be in the UK? If they are based in Britain, what guarantee have I that they have paid any tax on their activities in the UK? What if they DO employ actual genuine Brits in a British factory, should I go and buy a Vauxhall then, isn't that owned by PSA, a French company, which has been fronted by the French government and used that finance to develop an overseas manufacturing partnership, in China of all places?! Heaven forbid!! And now they have plans to trade in North America, isn't that going to do Ford workers out of a job? Oh my giddy aunt, here comes Trump to tariff everyone out of business. Maybe I should have bought a Honda....

All you post is the same weak arguments over and over again. You justify incompetance of a few as a reason to stop doing anything.

Whereas I take stock of my surroundings, my experieince in business and professions - I realise most people do a very good job daily, every day.

Those that DO fail on a large scale are usually in management, civil service, politics or academics - I would guess appointed above their abilities.

Your arguments about the Steel industry are weak .. you point out the lack of manufacturing facilities for "Pressure Vessels" and then fail to understand there will NEVER be manufacturing capacity after the collapse of the UK Steel industry.

"Globalisation" is a scam under mining the ability of the UK to produce, it's as simple as that.

Manufacturing requires successive layers of excellence .. take away well manufactured quality steel and everything made from that poor quality steel will be of lower quality.

I don't recognise any initiative on your part to create a wealthy, cohesive and professional society - you've already given up at the first hurdle - in fact you are an enemy to your own people.

All you have is massive negative arguments which you base on failures rather than even admitting any successes.

 

[TelesnaAg]

How do you know you wellies are made in uk....lets see..you could ask them...theres a good start....

The disease is strong in some they will not be salvaged...

Ant....

 

[Ashtree]

[QUOTE="wanton dwarf, post: 4988880, member: 5903

"Globalisation" is a scam under mining the ability of the UK to produce, it's as simple as that.
.[/QUOTE]

So, there we have it! Britain is no longer able to cut it, on the global stage.
Yet, Johnny Farage, Johnny Boris, Johnny Mogg and Johnny Teresa May, have hijacked the ship and are steaming full steam ahead for global waters!!!
Best be counting the life rafts dear boy, and position oneself strategically so you can clambour aboard.
Hark, I hear a piano play in the background! Why it’s “Nearer My God To The”!
Do you see the eerie parallels? The greatest liner ever built! British to the core. Proper British steel to boot. Not an ounce of Chinese muck. Unsinkable! Ready for open waters and the global seas!
The rest is history!!!

 

[wanton dwarf]

How do you know you wellies are made in uk....lets see..you could ask them...theres a good start....

The disease is strong in some they will not be salvaged...

Ant....

I think you are right .. best to let those who want to sink and see nothing but sinking are left to their own devices.

 

[Ashtree]

I think you are right .. best to let those who want to sink and see nothing but sinking are left to their own devices.

You mean like the Titanic???

 

[phillipe]

It is hyprocrisy! Come along now and be sensible.

People moving to urban areas over time is a known phenomenon and well recognised. It has nothing to do with globalisation. Has happened for decades.

The difference between you and I is that ive visited many of the countries and seen it for myself. It is not difficult to see why people do it.

Lastly the transportation of goods by sea is a non-sequitur as its so efficient.

Moving goods by sea is one of the dirtiest ways to transport goods on the planet

 

[ollie989898]

How do you know you wellies are made in uk....lets see..you could ask them...theres a good start....

The disease is strong in some they will not be salvaged...

Ant....

Lol. Wellies are made in the UK. But not the ones I want. They are only made in the USA.

Best of luck you two. Remember next time buy a Honda!

 

[ollie989898]

Moving goods by sea is one of the dirtiest ways to transport goods on the planet

Not per tonne mile my old chap.

 

[ollie989898]

All you post is the same weak arguments over and over again. You justify incompetance of a few as a reason to stop doing anything.

Whereas I take stock of my surroundings, my experieince in business and professions - I realise most people do a very good job daily, every day.

Those that DO fail on a large scale are usually in management, civil service, politics or academics - I would guess appointed above their abilities.

Your arguments about the Steel industry are weak .. you point out the lack of manufacturing facilities for "Pressure Vessels" and then fail to understand there will NEVER be manufacturing capacity after the collapse of the UK Steel industry.

"Globalisation" is a scam under mining the ability of the UK to produce, it's as simple as that.

Manufacturing requires successive layers of excellence .. take away well manufactured quality steel and everything made from that poor quality steel will be of lower quality.

I don't recognise any initiative on your part to create a wealthy, cohesive and professional society - you've already given up at the first hurdle - in fact you are an enemy to your own people.

All you have is massive negative arguments which you base on failures rather than even admitting any successes.

You still have nothing. No ideas and worst, no clue.

There is no monopoly on quality or shite. You of all people must know that. I suppose you are a massive Rover fan at heart.

Makes no odds. There is no money in steel, if a business giant like Tata (a private enterprise I might add) cant make it pay then it is hardly through a lack of nous.

No steel pressure vessels im afraid. Never had the ability to forge em. Not by a long shot. Hardly an item of which thousands will be required annually either.

The British can design and build good stuff. We just get other people to assemble it cheaper. Its the lowest margin part of the product lifecycle anyway.

 

[ollie989898]

[QUOTE="wanton dwarf, post: 4988880, member: 5903

"Globalisation" is a scam under mining the ability of the UK to produce, it's as simple as that.
.

So, there we have it! Britain is no longer able to cut it, on the global stage.
Yet, Johnny Farage, Johnny Boris, Johnny Mogg and Johnny Teresa May, have hijacked the ship and are steaming full steam ahead for global waters!!!
Best be counting the life rafts dear boy, and position oneself strategically so you can clambour aboard.
Hark, I hear a piano play in the background! Why it’s “Nearer My God To The”!
Do you see the eerie parallels? The greatest liner ever built! British to the core. Proper British steel to boot. Not an ounce of Chinese muck. Unsinkable! Ready for open waters and the global seas!
The rest is history!!![/QUOTE]

Titanic was built in Belfast and featured a riveted construction. It was theorized that these played a role in her sinking.

 

[Ashtree]

![/QUOTE]

Titanic was built in Belfast and featured a riveted construction. It was theorized that these played a role in her sinking.[/QUOTE]

Arrogance and hubris was the root cause of the loss of the Titanic. A bloated sense of self worth and self importance, led to the terrible tragedy.
Seen any arrogance and bloated self importance recently????

https://www.castanet.net/news/Sales-Meeting-Minute/133665/Arrogance-sank-the-Titanic

 

[rob1]

!

Titanic was built in Belfast and featured a riveted construction. It was theorized that these played a role in her sinking.[/QUOTE]

Arrogance and hubris was the root cause of the loss of the Titanic. A bloated sense of self worth and self importance, led to the terrible tragedy.
Seen any arrogance and bloated self importance recently????

https://www.castanet.net/news/Sales-Meeting-Minute/133665/Arrogance-sank-the-Titanic[/QUOTE]
Yes everytime juncker et al spout something, notice you havent comeback about the ecj stopping us deporting crims, your hate of the uk is so obvious you cant help yourself looking for anything to feed that hate but rarely can you back it up when challenged, sad very sad

 

[phillipe]

Not per tonne mile my old chap.

Rot

 

[TelesnaAg]

Globalist always value the $ ahead of community...thats where we will always differ...every point you make is dollar based....this is the hallmark of globalist...sitting up in the mansion counting there dollars...because deep down insde they know they losers...never got a kick in football at school...keyboard warriors...welfare lovers

Ant...

 

[Ashtree]

Globalist always value the $ ahead of community...thats where we will always differ...every point you make is dollar based....this is the hallmark of globalist...sitting up in the mansion counting there dollars...because deep down insde they know they losers...never got a kick in football at school...keyboard warriors...welfare lovers

Ant...

You aren’t too bashful yourself when it comes to boasting about the $$$$$ you earn in the mining industry in Aus, which is effectively exporting the ground under you to China and elsewhere.

 

[TelesnaAg]

I could be earning the same money if we processed the iron ore and coking coal here into steel in Australia.

We ship the majority to japan.. we have only just got relief on beef exports to japan as well as there were heavily tarriffed...japan is a classic example if looking after its farmers and still having an economy with lots of trade. So the trade we do with them is not entirely fair...if ut was my wage would be the same.

Also as a country we dont need protections in every industry...only where the community and skills need to be protected...thats the whole idea.. some local minimum prices would help.as well especially in the dairy industry.

So you dont have a point..i work a job that is highly skilled...hence the pay in my situation.

Ant...