The Nasty Party

Walterp

Member
Location
Pembrokeshire
What did the Tories do to deserve the tag, awarded them by their own Party Chairman?

Few quote Theresa May in full:

"Yes, we've made progress, but let's not kid ourselves. There's a way to go before we can return to government. There's a lot we need to do in this party of ours. Our base is too narrow and so, occasionally, are our sympathies, You know what some people call us: the nasty party."

In these irony-laden days one is apt to forget that the Conservatives not only lost an election to Tony Blair in 1997 but also lost the plot - instead of finding a charismatic and emollient leader to replace John Major they quixotically appointed a succession of unattractive reactionaries to try to recover the British centre ground that Blair discovered and subsequently developed in his own image.

These leaders appealed to Party members but not, of course, to the electorate: who in his right mind would vote for Michael Howard? Even colleagues said there was “something of the night” about him. (Which Mr Howard recently and amply proved by proposing a war against Spain over Gibralter).

The lesson learned by replacing the unelectable with the delectable - the young, smooth and charming Dave Cameron - has not been lost. Philip Hammond - the Chancellor whose de facto leadership of the Conservatives is based on the interesting fiction that there are no telephones in Switzerland - is a John Major clone: pleasant and trustworthy. The others, the “unpleasant and unattractive ones” (another May descriptor) are for now safely locked in a dark broom cupboard in Westminster.

But if Philip Hammond is the answer, he is also the problem: John Major lost in 1997 not because he wasn‘t a safe pair of hands, but because he was.
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
More idiotic rubbish, a habit you just can't kick eh Walt? And lies too, how very Trumpy of you. MH did not 'propose' war he stated that the democratic, sovereign, will of Gibraltarians would be defended.

What would you do to defend your countrymen Walt? Ah, of course, pontificate a bit, you're good at that, that'll fix it...
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
More idiotic rubbish, a habit you just can't kick eh Walt? And lies too, how very Trumpy of you. MH did not 'propose' war he stated that the democratic, sovereign, will of Gibraltarians would be defended.

What would you do to defend your countrymen Walt? Ah, of course, pontificate a bit, you're good at that, that'll fix it...

Just calm down a bit. He is only using it to illustrate a point in a debate he is setting. Yes, you are correct to a point but his exact words were somewhat inflammatory and ill chosen at the time:
“Thirty-five years ago this week, another woman prime minister sent a taskforce halfway across the world to defend the freedom of another small group of British people against another Spanish-speaking country, and I’m absolutely certain that our current prime minister will show the same resolve in standing by the people of Gibraltar,”

 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Just calm down a bit. He is only using it to illustrate a point in a debate he is setting. Yes, you are correct to a point but his exact words were somewhat inflammatory and ill chosen at the time:
“Thirty-five years ago this week, another woman prime minister sent a taskforce halfway across the world to defend the freedom of another small group of British people against another Spanish-speaking country, and I’m absolutely certain that our current prime minister will show the same resolve in standing by the people of Gibraltar,”
I like and appreciate your sentiment, but no need to calm down here, Walt does not excite me any more than he 'sets debates'. As for MH's words being inflammatory, hmm... take a squint at what the Spanish foreign office - and its attached Escuela Diplomatica - have been spouting both before and since the exit of Franco and right up to the present day; relative to them MH will seem most restrained.
 

Muck Spreader

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
I like and appreciate your sentiment, but no need to calm down here, Walt does not excite me any more than he 'sets debates'. As for MH's words being inflammatory, hmm... take a squint at what the Spanish foreign office - and its attached Escuela Diplomatica - have been spouting both before and since the exit of Franco and right up to the present day; relative to them MH will seem most restrained.

It's just a game we have been playing for the last 300 hundred years. The great siege of Gibraltar in 1779 has some great stories to it.
 

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