The NFU backs gene editing. Do you ?

Cheesehead

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Lots of companies in agriculture have disappeared or been bought up or amalgamated. In fact, a fair few larger companies have shared the same fate as well. As I have said, the few remaining small companies involved in seed breeding will not be able to develop GE products are the cost of patenting and then making a safety case will not be small- such regulatory barriers to entry suit multinationals which is why the lobby the EU for such controls in the first place.

You are discussing hugely diverse impacts and effects in your second paragraph. Subsidies, grants and the like should simply never have been imposed.

There are people out there growing these crops with 'less inputs' already.

Actually in your previous reply you said they have already long since gone.

I was pointing out that it is not just technology and the cost of it that is affecting bottom lines.

I just believe that much like those buying the end product that it should be up to the individuals choice if they grow it or not.
 

som farmer

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somerset
what a load of bullpoo. Love to know where the writer sits in regard to his food requirements.
gene editing has been going on for years, just not quite so complicated, gene modifying, is very different, and not sure one should allow mad professors to play with it, oh, but, its alright to gene change a pig, so it can replace a human heart.
Organics, there is a market for the stuff, will that mkt grow, or shrink, with food inflation, milk sales seem restricted in quantity, so probably shrink, its a trendy fad, for many, but not all.
Personally, l think we should re-wild, or enforest, as much land as possible, and pay us farmers a fortune for doing it, l mean, that's what the public want, and its their taxes that will pay for it, we should respect their wishes.

And, when the penny drops, and food costs hit the roof, and they cannot afford to buy it, if available, then the guv should listen, realise the policy was wrong, and obey the publics wishes, and pay us another fortune, to return it to ag land. The really neat bit, is we have only done, what the public demanded.
 

delilah

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I couldn't get past the first 5 paragraphs. What an awful human being.

Wont argue with that, it was forwarded to me by an anti-vaccination-don't-put-a-cancer-stick-up-your-nose friend, so it does have an anti-state flavour, but it goes on to give an insight into who is pushing this/ where it may be heading globally. My view remains as it always has been; it's not about the science, it's about control.
 

ajd132

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Suffolk
Wont argue with that, it was forwarded to me by an anti-vaccination-don't-put-a-cancer-stick-up-your-nose friend, so it does have an anti-state flavour, but it goes on to give an insight into who is pushing this/ where it may be heading globally. My view remains as it always has been; it's not about the science, it's about control.
I wish farmers could see further than an agronomic trait that makes their lives easier for a few years before it stops working.
 

som farmer

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somerset
I wish farmers could see further than an agronomic trait that makes their lives easier for a few years before it stops working.
I just wish that people would understand that food starts with farming, and that, without us, they would be on a severe diet, that would prove fatal.
You really cannot believe the crap that goes into food, and the crap people think where it comes from, s/mkts really do not have there own supply of magical food, they have to buy it, from farmers.
 

ajd132

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I just wish that people would understand that food starts with farming, and that, without us, they would be on a severe diet, that would prove fatal.
You really cannot believe the crap that goes into food, and the crap people think where it comes from, s/mkts really do not have there own supply of magical food, they have to buy it, from farmers.
Agree but it’s all linked and farmers are complicit
 

som farmer

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somerset
Agree but it’s all linked and farmers are complicit
the disconnect from the reality of food production, starts at school, its not on the curriculum.
then start putting in the 'pretty' animals, either real or cartoon, they see on TV/films etc, and how clever some of those cartoon animals are, kids are removed from the basics, of how food is produced, even worse, they believe it just 'appears' on a shelf, in a s/mkt.

food production isn't particularly 'nice', esp in meat production, whichever angle you look at it from, broiler chicken production looks horrible, even to me, but it is a basic fact, to survive, animals are reared, for meat, which we eat. It is a farmers duty, to look after those animals, properly, until they are slaughtered.

its the schools job, to teach them about the realities of life, after school. Not only in food, but work skills and ethics, money, etc. Something has gone badly wrong, kids today, have high inspirations, but no idea of how to reach them, as to getting their hands dirty, a lot would refuse!
l think the inflationary period surely coming, is going to cause a huge shock, to many people, to many things are happening, together, that make the short term future, anything other than easy, we already see people demanding, the guv do 'something' to ease the 'pain' to the av household, in reality, what can it do ? Borrow more money ? great idea, till it comes to paying it back. World prices, dictate our own prices, and guv cannot counter them. A shitty time for many, is about to happen. lronically, it might be a good time, for farmers.
 

crashbox

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Livestock Farmer
I heard that certain big ag-chem companies are developing seed strains that are the only ones that can tolerate certain of their spray programmes. I.e. you buy the seed, you have to buy the chems.

I remain unconvinced that the purported benefits of GM or gene editing will result in meaningful benefits for the folk that grow food, big and small alike.
 

ajd132

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Arable Farmer
Location
Suffolk
I heard that certain big ag-chem companies are developing seed strains that are the only ones that can tolerate certain of their spray programmes. I.e. you buy the seed, you have to buy the chems.

I remain unconvinced that the purported benefits of GM or gene editing will result in meaningful benefits for the folk that grow food, big and small alike.
I’m not against the technology.

BUT

more control through the supply chain through forced inputs, the big ag chem companies will be using this technology to increase profits not help humanity and farmers. We are f**ked.
 

Sid

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South Molton
I’m not against the technology.

BUT

more control through the supply chain through forced inputs, the big ag chem companies will be using this technology to increase profits not help humanity and farmers. We are f**ked.
The argument I pushed and the fact that if you want to purchase a product that is non GE it's going to be impossible.

Let's hope Scotland and the EU takes the lead and doesn't approve its use, and ban it from its countries

Market will then lead.
 

crashbox

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Livestock Farmer
I’m not against the technology.

BUT

more control through the supply chain through forced inputs, the big ag chem companies will be using this technology to increase profits not help humanity and farmers. We are f**ked
Likely yes.

Oooooh we're some bloody cynics.
 

Sid

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South Molton

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