The NI/ROI Protocol

The Agrarian

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A lot of DUP haters out their saying DUP got what they voted for. The DUP never voted for a border between NI and GB. They won a vote to take all of the UK out of the EU and were shafted. Its not the UK that wants a border, its the EU, so its their problem to sort. Whether they want it between NI and Republic or between them and the Republic is up to them but they have no right to enforce borders within the UK.
As for some previous texters who think protestants can live safely in a all Ireland are in cuckoo land. My friends and family have been blown to pieces and shot by the same organisation who are running our country.
There is no place for terrorists and murderers in government.
Stormont needs brought down immediately until the protestants stop being tramped over.
Sinn fein/ IRA does not want NI to work therefore Stormont can never work.
I won't be replying to replies as arguing goes nowhere, it won't bring back my murdered loved ones.
Agree with most of that, except for closing stormont. That useless charade has one purpose it's worth keeping for - to take away one big reason for nationalists wanting out of the UK, because they hate the idea of being ruled from Westminster. Much better that they have to take responsibility for governance than have the luxury of moaning about the English.
 

Farm buy

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The question posed in the referendum was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?". Not shall only certain parts leave or stay.
I fully agree with you in relation to the Eu Vote, all the Uk is the same. You may have misinterped my point to @Ltec was that he rightly want the Eu vote accepted ,but the Stormont votes anulled.
 

nivilla1982

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Agree with most of that, except for closing stormont. That useless charade has one purpose it's worth keeping for - to take away one big reason for nationalists wanting out of the UK, because they hate the idea of being ruled from Westminster. Much better that they have to take responsibility for governance than have the luxury of moaning about the English.
Or shall we say administering British rule in Ireland ;)
 

Cowcorn

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Agree with most of that, except for closing stormont. That useless charade has one purpose it's worth keeping for - to take away one big reason for nationalists wanting out of the UK, because they hate the idea of being ruled from Westminster. Much better that they have to take responsibility for governance than have the luxury of moaning about the English.
The future of NI is unwritten it could go either way but if Unionists want to preserve the union then the need to convince the nationalist community that the are valued and that the union is worth preserving .
The real question is what about the " soft" unionist younger well educated voters who see nothing to fear in unity with the republic. Those who are not prisoners of the past and only see things in economic terms .
Its going to be an uphill battle as the genie is now well and truly out of the bottle and a border poll looks likely in the next decade .
You are half right about Stormont but keeping Sinn Fein happy is like feeding a crocodile it wont be happy till it has eaten everything . The dont give a fig about Stormont the smell the end game will soon start and the think that the can win .
 

nivilla1982

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The future of NI is unwritten it could go either way but if Unionists want to preserve the union then the need to convince the nationalist community that the are valued and that the union is worth preserving .
The real question is what about the " soft" unionist younger well educated voters who see nothing to fear in unity with the republic. Those who are not prisoners of the past and only see things in economic terms .
Its going to be an uphill battle as the genie is now well and truly out of the bottle and a border poll looks likely in the next decade .
You are half right about Stormont but keeping Sinn Fein happy is like feeding a crocodile it wont be happy till it has eaten everything . The dont give a fig about Stormont the smell the end game will soon start and the think that the can win .
In some ways a useful wake up call for unionism, support for the union is increasingly existing despite the "efforts" of political unionism.
 

Ashtree

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Perhaps, there is an "unease" within some about Stormont and related institutions
And wasn’t it ever thus. Good old Lord Brookborough, and his likes always made sure Stormont gave “unease”.
Unease was acceptable so long as it was for the other side.


"When I made that declaration last ‘twelfth’ I did so after careful consideration. What I said was justified. I recommended people not to employ Roman Catholics, who were 99 per cent disloyal."
Sir Basil Brooke, Unionist Party, then Minister of Agriculture, 19 March 1934
later to become Lord Brookeborough and Northern Ireland Prime Minister
[Reported in: Belfast News Letter, 20 March 1934];
Quoted in: Commentary upon The White Paper (Cmd.558) entitled 'A Record of Constructive Change' (1971)
 

nivilla1982

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And wasn’t it ever thus. Good old Lord Brookborough, and his likes always made sure Stormont gave “unease”.
Unease was acceptable so long as it was for the other side.


"When I made that declaration last ‘twelfth’ I did so after careful consideration. What I said was justified. I recommended people not to employ Roman Catholics, who were 99 per cent disloyal."
Sir Basil Brooke, Unionist Party, then Minister of Agriculture, 19 March 1934
later to become Lord Brookeborough and Northern Ireland Prime Minister
[Reported in: Belfast News Letter, 20 March 1934];
Quoted in: Commentary upon The White Paper (Cmd.558) entitled 'A Record of Constructive Change' (1971)
and no doubt one can point to all sorts of petty incidents of discrimination all over this island.
 

nivilla1982

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perhaps your correct, I would not have that sort of info .I found it unusuall to think that @Ltec would consider one vote is acceptable and the other is not
Perhaps he is taking his cue from the EU's and the Government of ROI apparent disregard for the provisions of the Belfast Agreement with their maximalist interpretation of Agreement's content favoured by nationalists while a rather minimalist interpretation of the agreement provisions favoured by unionism.
 
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Ashtree

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and no doubt one can point to all sorts of petty incidents of discrimination all over this island.
And the relevant petty issue today, is the DUP disregarding the clear majority view in NI, which is to remain in EU. As Sammy Wilson agreed with a constituent during the referendum campaign, “get everybody out including the ethnics”!
The sensible, strong and politically astute thing for them to have done with regards to Brexit, would have been right from the outset to oppose it, and oppose a border with the ROI.
Yeah, counter intuitive to the hard core unionists, BUT, a spanner in SF / Alliance / SDLP.
Core unionist votes alone are a declining currency. Appealing to and having policies acceptable to a wider base, is the ONLY way to survive.
The other way of course is put trust in Boris. Look at how that turned out!!!
 

The Agrarian

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It's a start. But doesn't deal with the matter of customs. Do it at warehouses both sides of the border (that's the proper international one) and the EU would catch 95% of whatever it's looking for.
 

nivilla1982

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Earlier Stormont Economy Minister Diane Dodds said she was "not against a short Swiss-style deal" to ease Brexit trade issues across the Irish Sea but warned it would have to apply UK-wide.

But then, on Wednesday afternoon, DUP leader Arlene Foster said that a Swiss-style UK-EU deal to resolve Brexit trade issues across the Irish Sea would not be a full solution.

She added that the arrangement would only deal with one aspect of checks, while requiring the whole of the UK to follow some EU rules.

"It would only be part of a solution, and only if the UK government would buy into the entirety of the UK aligning, so for us what we're really interested in is a long-term solution.. and that's not it," the first minister told BBC News NI.

Mrs Foster said the UK internal market was "being ruptured" by the protocol, and that the promise of GB-NI unfettered access needed to be delivered by Boris Johnson.

The protocol keeps NI in the EU single market for goods to ensure free trade across the Irish border but many unionists have criticised the knock-on effects of disruption and extra paperwork for transporting some goods from Great Britain to NI.

 

Thecub

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Seems a reasonable approach to me. Why does the EU not want this? This approach would mean actually equality whereby both borders are their but in a limited way.
 

Ashtree

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A handful of DUP MP’s drunk on power, because of the way Teresa May’s general election turned out, rejected any and all other solutions. Then Boris knifed them in the back. The rest as they say is history.
 

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