The NI/ROI Protocol

[Hindsight]

Let's be honest with a twerp like Boris in charge we are all well & truly fecked it's only a mater of time!

Johnson is irrelevant personality. Would have been the same approach by EU whoever was in UK PM. Main objective of EU Commisars was to make leaving EU as difficult as possible. To leave a sting in the tail. The NI Protocol was that Achilles Heel. And an Achilles Heel that has its origins in some quite nasty and difficult societal issues over the past few hundred years, specific to the UK. But no Jerry and Froggy through the EU exploited that. That is the despicable aspect of the politics. And why it smells as bad as actions by bully boy superpowers elsewhere in the world.

 

[Boohoo]

Overnight the UK Gvmnt have doubled down and extended further unilateral breaches of the Northern Ireland Protocol!
It's almost as if they are pushing for the EU NOT to ratify the Xmas Eve Trade and Cooperation Agreement. The big question is WHY are the UK doing this?

Nothing on UK media, is there a free press anymore?

Have you a source for this? Even those who were behind the leave campaign aren't reporting any more changes.

The UK has made unilateral decisions because it has been left with no choice. There were constructive meetings a week before the grace periods were extended, then nothing except suggestions of more checks not less. Businesses can't wait for the EU to drag things out until the last minute.
The grace periods aren't just to allow time for implementation, they're also for the negotiation of a live agreement.

 

[BrianV]

Have you a source for this? Even those who were behind the leave campaign aren't reporting any more changes.

The UK has made unilateral decisions because it has been left with no choice. There were constructive meetings a week before the grace periods were extended, then nothing except suggestions of more checks not less. Businesses can't wait for the EU to drag things out until the last minute.
The grace periods aren't just to allow time for implementation, they're also for the negotiation of a live agreement.

The trouble is these grace periods only work one way, we have allowed the EU unrestricted access to the UK until the summer at the very least & yet the EU do not reciprocate, as always it's a one sided partnership with the UK losing out yet again!

 

[Boohoo]

The trouble is these grace periods only work one way, we have allowed the EU unrestricted access to the UK until the summer at the very least & yet the EU do not reciprocate, as always it's a one sided partnership with the UK losing out yet again!

When you hear criticism of the EU from NI business representatives who were strongly in favour of remaining in the EU and have warned of the challenges of leaving the EU it's not difficult to see where the problem lies.

 

[Ashtree]

EU responsible my posterior. Primary responsibility lies with the demagogues of Tory Party, ERG, DUP and UKIP! This collection of let’s face it, well to do twits, set the country on a path to chaos. Then they signed the bottom line into an international treaty. They rejected multiple imminently more workable solution along the way, and now they want to pass the buck. Fudge that for a game of soldiers.

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[le bon paysan]

Have you a source for this? Even those who were behind the leave campaign aren't reporting any more changes.

The UK has made unilateral decisions because it has been left with no choice. There were constructive meetings a week before the grace periods were extended, then nothing except suggestions of more checks not less. Businesses can't wait for the EU to drag things out until the last minute.
The grace periods aren't just to allow time for implementation, they're also for the negotiation of a live agreement.

Food scarcity fears prompt plan to ease post-Brexit checks on EU imports

Ministers considering ‘lighter touch’ regime to avoid disruption to supplies from bloc

www.theguardian.com

 

[Boohoo]

Food scarcity fears prompt plan to ease post-Brexit checks on EU imports

Ministers considering ‘lighter touch’ regime to avoid disruption to supplies from bloc

www.theguardian.com

There isn't anything new about the Northern Ireland situation in that article.

 

[nivilla1982]

Chief Brexit negotiator Lord Frost insists NI Protocol grace period relaxations are lawful

The Government’s chief Brexit negotiator Lord Frost has called on Brussels to “shake off any remaining ill will” towards the UK for leaving the bloc as arrangements governing trade to Northern Ireland continue to prove contentious.

www.newsletter.co.uk

 

[le bon paysan]

The trouble is these grace periods only work one way, we have allowed the EU unrestricted access to the UK until the summer at the very least & yet the EU do not reciprocate, as always it's a one sided partnership with the UK losing out yet again!

It was done by the UK because your customs posts and officers are not available yet. When you voted to leave the EU spent time and money putting in new infrastructure and have hired and trained new customs officers.

 

[le bon paysan]

There isn't anything new about the Northern Ireland situation in that article.

Sorry, I thought that was it, I'll find it , cleared my cookies and can't just drop on it.

 

[M-J-G]

Despite the complicity of the DUP in this, it wouldn't actually have changed the outcome of the referendum if every DUP voter had voted remain. Where we are today was probably neither helped nor hindered when it boils down to be honest.

That level of irrelevance to the grand scheme of things is why the rest of the UK are happy to ignore what the people of NI want.
As Alfie Solomons says Big....

 

[M-J-G]

I fail to see why the EU would be looking after the people or businesses of NI since brexit, that's the job of Westminster and let's not forget the people of NI, maybe they could do something for themselves instead of being the victim.
Although any I've spoken to have said they aren't bothered.

Brexit is done like the majority wanted and her majesty's government headed up by Boris did a deal based on what they thought was best for the UK, not what was best for NI.
As the saying goes, its difficult to please everyone.

 

[Ashtree]

I fail to see why the EU would be looking after the people or businesses of NI since brexit, that's the job of Westminster and let's not forget the people of NI, maybe they could do something for themselves instead of being the victim.
Although any I've spoken to have said they aren't bothered.

Brexit is done like the majority wanted and her majesty's government headed up by Boris did a deal based on what they thought was best for the UK, not what was best for NI.
As the saying goes, its difficult to please everyone.

If you managed to please everybody in NI, then that would be something. DUP saw Brexit as the path back to a hard border, and the sidelining of the Belfast Agreement, which they rejected at the outset, and only came onboard extremely unwillingly.

 

[M-J-G]

If you managed to please everybody in NI, then that would be something. DUP saw Brexit as the path back to a hard border, and the sidelining of the Belfast Agreement, which they rejected at the outset, and only came onboard extremely unwillingly.

Oh I know what the idea behind it was, but it was totally stupid, as has been proven.

Didn't Sammy Wilson say some years back that in 10 years time we'd be wondering what all the fuss was about!
Well I'm wondering what all the fuss is about long before that.

 

[The Agrarian]

I fail to see why the EU would be looking after the people or businesses of NI since brexit, that's the job of Westminster and let's not forget the people of NI, maybe they could do something for themselves instead of being the victim.
Although any I've spoken to have said they aren't bothered.

Brexit is done like the majority wanted and her majesty's government headed up by Boris did a deal based on what they thought was best for the UK, not what was best for NI.
As the saying goes, its difficult to please everyone.

1. It's not the EUs job. It's clear they only claimed to care about Northern Ireland during negotiations as a stick to beat their opponent with.

2. Yes it IS the government's job.

3. It's ok for people under the oppressive rules to tell each other to buck themselves up and get on with it. Just as in racism or homophobia, it's not ok for someone like yourself living on the fortunate side of the line to tell those people to cheer up and make the best of it. That's arrogant to be dismissive of discrimination.

And stop ranting about the DUP. I don't have any links to them or Brexit. I'm just an ordinary UK citizen who is being discriminated against.

 

[M-J-G]

1. It's not the EUs job. It's clear they only claimed to care about Northern Ireland during negotiations as a stick to beat their opponent with.

2. Yes it IS the government's job.

3. It's ok for people under the oppressive rules to tell each other to buck themselves up and get on with it. Just as in racism or homophobia, it's not ok for someone like yourself living on the fortunate side of the line to tell those people to cheer up and make the best of it. That's arrogant to be dismissive of discrimination.

And stop ranting about the DUP. I don't have any links to them or Brexit. I'm just an ordinary UK citizen who is being discriminated against.

1. The EU weren't negotiating with any interest in the North, it was negotiating on behalf of the South, nothing new in NI claiming to be the victim.

2. Yip

3. It's ok to say whatever you want if you're suffering but not if you aren't, that's called just hearing what you want to.
If I can move to the mainland anyone can, it's their choice, I hope nobody is forcing you to stay there against your will, and if they are that would be sad.

I don't link you to the DUP, I always assumed you too intelligent for that despite the fact you have spent a some of your time defending them in the past.
Why on earth would you assume I linked you with a group of people like that with the connections that they have had?

 

[nivilla1982]

The EU claimed to be "defending" the Belfast Agreement and also stated they regarded themselves as "guarantor" of the Agreement (yet the only named parties to the Agreement and associated documents where the United Kingdom Government, the Government of the Republic of Ireland and political parties in NI). Therefore if we follow that logic the EU have accepted the necessity of reasonable North/South cooperation in relevant areas of mutual interest and also that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom due to desire of a majority of the people of NI desiring it to be so, thus the UK gov exercises sovereignty over NI.

 

[M-J-G]

The EU claimed to be "defending" the Belfast Agreement and also stated they regarded themselves as "guarantor" of the Agreement (yet the only named parties to the Agreement and associated documents where the United Kingdom Government, the Government of the Republic of Ireland and political parties in NI). Therefore if we follow that logic the EU have accepted the necessity of reasonable North/South cooperation in relevant areas of mutual interest and also that Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom due to desire of a majority of the people of NI desiring it to be so, thus the UK gov exercises sovereignty over NI.

Forget the EU they're just looking after themselves like everyone does, it's Westminster that have screwed you, assuming you are actually screwed.

I keep coming back to the same puzzle, didn't anyone else consider this situation to be a likely outcome?
There may be negative parts about brexit but it will be outweighed by the positives type of thing, which is fine if you benefit from the positives and let someone else deal with the negatives.
You boys may have been the sacrificial lamb.

 

[M-J-G]

And this checking is done by UK citizens working for UK government agencies to EU standards to keep the EU happy their Single Market is not going to be affected by a rogue Pork Pie sent from Lincolnshire to Derry, or a truck of 24 pallets Markies Chipping Potatoes sent to Belfast. So falling over backwards to accommodate the EU but disrupting tremendously our own citizens daily lives. And you have the temerity to think and say this is the right thing. I just a wee wonder what Frenchie would be doing if this were imposed on him.

It's what Superboris signed us up for, take back control, come what may

 

[le bon paysan]

From the Tory mouthpiece, lord frost doesn't like the NI protocol or the deal that he negotiated, a typical pro brexit whinge piece. The really interesting part of this is the comments section where 90% would usually be anti EU, have a read, it seems the Tory fan club are tireing of the boris/ frost show and are starting to kick up! A lot of anti frost / boris comments.

Lord Frost swipes at EU motives for Northern Ireland row

Lord Frost suggested resentment over the UK's departure from the bloc was linked to the hard line it is taking over enforcement of the protocol in the province.

www.dailymail.co.uk