The NI/ROI Protocol

Prove it !!! :scratchhead::scratchhead:its called faith . To say that the NI problem is about religion is a gross oversimplfacation of the current situtation .
The threads concerning NI are a bottomless swamp and place for the foolhardy :):):) Hit reverse while you can !!!!
One of the givens is of course that all belivers will unite against the unbeliever !!! Even when thecan agree on nothing else :):)

So it is religious then ........ 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

The Agrarian

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
You are confusing correlation with causation. It happens that people on opposing sides often identify with a religion (though increasingly less likely in today's secular society). But while those can be common ground, or background for those groups of people, they are merely correlated, and not the cause of dispute. However, religious segregation into groups does play a part in preventing interaction and understanding of each other. Same the world over.
 

Ashtree

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Ultimately all the current angst in NI, takes its root in the fact that NI is and has from its foundation been a failed state.
A line drawn unilaterally on a map, hemming in a big portion of the population in a new state, they don’t belong to. All to placate a very, very small percentage if the people of the island of Ireland.
Throughout its history right up to the troubles which broke out in 1969, NI failed utterly the minority nationalist population. Over 50 years further on, NI is still failing. It’s dysfunctional devolved government is a fiasco. The ever dwindling of the Unionist majority, has unnerved the unionist people. Their political leadership is a basket case. And to top it all off, London has effectively disowned the whole thing. The rioting, burning, and cheap booze swilling, rent a mob in Belfast, is a manifestation of the dying kicks of the old guard. Religion today has pretty much nothing to do with the current situation. It’s just a convenient correlation. In the end, it’s quite simply down to the simple fact that it’s a failed experiment, looking for a new solution. Easier said than done however.
 
You are confusing correlation with causation. It happens that people on opposing sides often identify with a religion (though increasingly less likely in today's secular society). But while those can be common ground, or background for those groups of people, they are merely correlated, and not the cause of dispute. However, religious segregation into groups does play a part in preventing interaction and understanding of each other. Same the world over.

ok explain the differences between northern and sountern ireland then and why they are not one country.
 
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Mouser

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near Belfast
ok explain the differences between northern and sountern ireland then and why they are not one country.
They are not one country because 100ish years ago the vast majority in the six counties of the north wanted to remain in the UK when the British government was allowing the rest of the island to have home rule. This majority remains to this day and I suspect for a long time to come.
 

JimAndy

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Mixed Farmer
Ultimately all the current angst in NI, takes its root in the fact that NI is and has from its foundation been a failed state.
A line drawn unilaterally on a map, hemming in a big portion of the population in a new state, they don’t belong to. All to placate a very, very small percentage if the people of the island of Ireland.
Throughout its history right up to the troubles which broke out in 1969, NI failed utterly the minority nationalist population. Over 50 years further on, NI is still failing. It’s dysfunctional devolved government is a fiasco. The ever dwindling of the Unionist majority, has unnerved the unionist people. Their political leadership is a basket case. And to top it all off, London has effectively disowned the whole thing. The rioting, burning, and cheap booze swilling, rent a mob in Belfast, is a manifestation of the dying kicks of the old guard. Religion today has pretty much nothing to do with the current situation. It’s just a convenient correlation. In the end, it’s quite simply down to the simple fact that it’s a failed experiment, looking for a new solution. Easier said than done however.

given the history of the south since it formed, it a bit rich you calling the North a "failed state"
 
They are not one country because 100ish years ago the vast majority in the six counties of the north wanted to remain in the UK when the British government was allowing the rest of the island to have home rule. This majority remains to this day and I suspect for a long time to come.

Well it shouldn’t. NI attached to the U.K. is going to suffer if they stay.
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
Change is the nature of life.
Most of the problems in NI existed long before brexit. Outbreaks of violence, rioting etc . Dissident Republicans, So called "loyalists" and criminality. PIRA Army Council still exist and directing PSF actions. The entrenchment of sectarianism in the political system.

The interesting growth of the "other" political domination eg Alliance and others etc, this apparently growing section of the population who don't fit neatly into the old labels of Orange and Green is a rather substantial change in NI politics.
Brexit has obviously has an impact on certain issue , the issue of apportioning blame will be an interesting back and forth between all involved.
Why does NI have more EU checks than the port of Rotterdam proportionally?
 

Farm buy

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Livestock Farmer
They are not one country because 100ish years ago the vast majority in the six counties of the north wanted to remain in the UK when the British government was allowing the rest of the island to have home rule. This majority remains to this day and I suspect for a long time to come.
The exact same thing is happening today as happened about 100 years ago.The Island was and is Ireland. The people In the newly created UK section of the island were never asked did they want to stay or go. The people down south had a bitter civil war over the creation of the division. Great Britian has pumped Bl and Bl into Ni for the last 100 years and have just created another border in the Irish Sea now without asking the people if they wanted it.So now there is two borders , And Mark Twain said History never repeats itself but it rhymes.
 

Ashtree

Member
Fair enough, cheated on multiple partners, multiple times.
Stacked from multiple jobs for lying.
Failed to keep most of his promises

Promised Arlene undying faithfulness to the Union. Promptly shafted her when the time suited.
Promised he would “die in a ditch”, rather than ask EU for an extension to the transition period. Then he did ask for the said extension, but multiple search and rescue teams scouring the ditches of UK, found no sign of Boris, with rigor mortis having set in.
 

caveman

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Location
East Sussex.
Promised Arlene undying faithfulness to the Union. Promptly shafted her when the time suited.
Promised he would “die in a ditch”, rather than ask EU for an extension to the transition period. Then he did ask for the said extension, but multiple search and rescue teams scouring the ditches of UK, found no sign of Boris, with rigor mortis having set in.
You seem to be rather pi55ed off about all that.
Good.
As long as everybody is unhappy....jobs a good 'un.
 

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
Hate to say it but 95% of any problems are nearly always caused by the over zealous UK application of any rules, where as much of the EU simply shrug their shoulders & carry on our prats do everything to the exact letter of the law. At least with Brexit we can see who is really accountable for the mess & can vote accordingly !!
 

arcobob

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Location
Norfolk
For twenty years through the nineties and noughties successive governments hoodwinked the British public with diversionary tactics, taking the eye of the British public off the main issues. Hopefully people are now more streetwise and aware and will never suffer from the same myopic delusions again. I am afraid it may be a vain hope.
 

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