The NI/ROI Protocol

Ashtree

Member
Not quite fact though, ironically they may have unwittingly/naively encouraged people to vote for the the situation that has led to a potential weakening of the union, but people weren't forced to vote in any particular way.

Yes. However, after the clear majority in NI voted against Brexit, the DUP were very unwise to continue to drive on against the wishes of a clear majority. The sight of DUP MP’s absolutely sticking it to the clear majority, when they had Teresa May over a barrel simply was not wise. In fact it was down right stupid. They don’t represent anyone in England, Wales or Scotland. They didn’t get a Brexit mandate for those they do represent.
 
Yes. However, after the clear majority in NI voted against Brexit, the DUP were very unwise to continue to drive on against the wishes of a clear majority. The sight of DUP MP’s absolutely sticking it to the clear majority, when they had Teresa May over a barrel simply was not wise. In fact it was down right stupid. They don’t represent anyone in England, Wales or Scotland. They didn’t get a Brexit mandate for those they do represent.
I'd put that awkward cringey time to the back of my mind
Entering into a Coalition as the minority tends not to be a good move.
Anyone remember the Lib Dems?
 

Wellytrack

Member
Irish identities and cultures and citizenship are very well protected in Northern Ireland. It's a fair compromise, and unionists have never sought to drive out 'irishness'. I fail to see how anything like that level of reciprocation can be made in a united ireland scenario, especially with the perpetual Sinn Fein strategy of 'greening the north', to use their own term. It's one of annihilation of identities and cultures associated with Britain. For as long as this attitude exists among my nationalist/republican countrymen, I could obviously never contemplate voting for my own extinction, no matter how much money might be offered. Having read at great length the anti-britain attitudes on this forum from Irish folks, I would have little confidence that the spirit of embracing and protecting our Northern identities would be any better in the south.

There is that way of looking at it, but there are also small Protestant enclaves in the ROI and they feel no suppression at all.

There are lodges and bands south of the border doing really well and well supported by the Irish government to continue to express their British Identity, more so than some on the North side of the border.

I’m aware there are some Northern Irish posters on this thread who are well away from the border, perhaps things look and feel different there compared to me 300 yards from it.

I’m back and forth across the border all the time, the majority of my supplies come from ROI. An engineer I frequent quite candidly spoke about his experiences.

He says “I’m here all my life, I’m born here, I work here, I live here, I’m COI my neighbours are Roman Catholic and Presbyterian, never a foul word or ill turn inflicted upon anyone”

“The only ones that tell me the likes of myself will be in bother in an United Ireland are from your boys up over the border, I’m a Prod and I’m Irish - there is no bother”

I think there will be more issues from Northern Nationalism to accept Unionists than from Éire.
 
There is that way of looking at it, but there are also small Protestant enclaves in the ROI and they feel no suppression at all.

There are lodges and bands south of the border doing really well and well supported by the Irish government to continue to express their British Identity, more so than some on the North side of the border.

I’m aware there are some Northern Irish posters on this thread who are well away from the border, perhaps things look and feel different there compared to me 300 yards from it.

I’m back and forth across the border all the time, the majority of my supplies come from ROI. An engineer I frequent quite candidly spoke about his experiences.

He says “I’m here all my life, I’m born here, I work here, I live here, I’m COI my neighbours are Roman Catholic and Presbyterian, never a foul word or ill turn inflicted upon anyone”

“The only ones that tell me the likes of myself will be in bother in an United Ireland are from your boys up over the border, I’m a Prod and I’m Irish - there is no bother”

I think there will be more issues from Northern Nationalism to accept Unionists than from Éire.
ive never had problems with my sothern neighbors there completely different people I have family that farmed on the border for years it was there neighbours in the south that saved their lifes by warning thrm of an IRA atack on them as for shinners up hear no one wants them even in the south
 

Wellytrack

Member
ive never had problems with my sothern neighbors there completely different people I have family that farmed on the border for years it was there neighbours in the south that saved their lifes by warning thrm of an IRA atack on them as for shinners up hear no one wants them even in the south

There is a story how we got to where we are living now too. It started from a night in 1922.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
So just to recap -Boris Johnson
1. Said he'd never agree an Irish Sea border
2. He then agreed to an Irish sea border.
3.Then he denied he'd agreed to a sea border .
4. He then implemented a sea border.
5. Yesterday he said there must not be an Irish Sea border.
6. Now he's trying to blame the EU for the UK / NI internal market border.
 

Ashtree

Member
So just to recap -Boris Johnson
1. Said he'd never agree an Irish Sea border
2. He then agreed to an Irish sea border.
3.Then he denied he'd agreed to a sea border .
4. He then implemented a sea border.
5. Yesterday he said there must not be an Irish Sea border.
6. Now he's trying to blame the EU for the UK / NI internal market border.

Ah bless ‘em. The DUP that is. Boris played them like a trout on a mayfly!
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
The protocol wasn't on the ballot paper though. At the end of the day, the only reason the customs checkpoint isn't on the border is because of the threat of violence from dissidents. Its nothing to do with good friday agreement, that's just an easy out for the government to appease the unionists as their threats of violence are hollow.
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
The whole issue has highlighted how
1 Many of the defenders/proponents of the Belfast Agreement either have not read it or are familiar with its provisions.
2 Some of those who support the Agreement are apparently quite happy to run roughshod over it and provisions when it suits their purposes.
3 The ROI Government or some of those within it are quite apparently happy to dismiss unionist concerns in a fashion if done by British Governments to nationalism that would never be tolerated.
 
The whole issue has highlighted how
1 Many of the defenders/proponents of the Belfast Agreement either have not read it or are familiar with its provisions.
2 Some of those who support the Agreement are apparently quite happy to run roughshod over it and provisions when it suits their purposes.
3 The ROI Government or some of those within it are quite apparently happy to dismiss unionist concerns in a fashion if done by British Governments to nationalism that would never be tolerated.
NI has been screwed by Westminster, the rest are just trivial.
 
The protocol wasn't on the ballot paper though. At the end of the day, the only reason the customs checkpoint isn't on the border is because of the threat of violence from dissidents. Its nothing to do with good friday agreement, that's just an easy out for the government to appease the unionists as their threats of violence are hollow.
That's what I've said all through this, the unionists won't use violence, so it's easier for the British government to cave in to actual terrorists who will.
Sad days caused by a spineless PM.
 

Ashtree

Member
Unionist DUP, driving ahead with their ideology AGAINST the wishes of the MAJORITY of the people, is the root cause of where we are today.
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
Unionist DUP, driving ahead with their ideology AGAINST the wishes of the MAJORITY of the people, is the root cause of where we are today.
What ideology? What majority? I think I recall correctly that DUP areas voted for Brexit so why would DUP not drive for that especially since the uk majority also voted for that?
 

JimAndy

Member
Location
portadown
The protocol wasn't on the ballot paper though. At the end of the day, the only reason the customs checkpoint isn't on the border is because of the threat of violence from dissidents. Its nothing to do with good friday agreement, that's just an easy out for the government to appease the unionists as their threats of violence are hollow.

i Think the government are using that "violence from dissidents" and a get out of jail card, as he simple truth is that dissidents will be dissidents, and will attack the people of UK no matter what, whether it on the border or somewhere else makes little difference to them.

i think they looked at the border and concluded that it would be impossible to put a border up that meets the necessary standards. for those that don't live here take a look at it on google maps, there are roads that you cross the border a dozen times just driving the road. it goes threw house and towns. i know of one farm were the cows are grazed in RoI but the yard is in the north. but the lane to the yard is in the south onto a road that only leads to the north. how the f**k would you police that. there a house in londonderry were moving from the kitchen to the living room you cross the border.

from day one of brexit. the government line has been "No new infrastructure on the border" suggest to me they alway intended it to be in the irish sea
 

Ashtree

Member
What ideology? What majority? I think I recall correctly that DUP areas voted for Brexit so why would DUP not drive for that especially since the uk majority also voted for that?

Ah, what majority! This notion that what’s goes in Chelsea and what’s right for Chelsea, is equally good for NI, is total nonsense. NI majority gave their representatives a clear instructions. We don’t want Brexit.
DUP dug a hole, Boris shoved them in. Poetic justice in a way.
 

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