The NI/ROI Protocol

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
i Think the government are using that "violence from dissidents" and a get out of jail card, as he simple truth is that dissidents will be dissidents, and will attack the people of UK no matter what, whether it on the border or somewhere else makes little difference to them.

i think they looked at the border and concluded that it would be impossible to put a border up that meets the necessary standards. for those that don't live here take a look at it on google maps, there are roads that you cross the border a dozen times just driving the road. it goes threw house and towns. i know of one farm were the cows are grazed in RoI but the yard is in the north. but the lane to the yard is in the south onto a road that only leads to the north. how the f**k would you police that. there a house in londonderry were moving from the kitchen to the living room you cross the border.

from day one of brexit. the government line has been "No new infrastructure on the border" suggest to me they alway intended it to be in the irish sea
But what needs police? Smuggling at larne and belfast wont be policed. Only things being checked will be paperwork for the legal stuff! It's not as if theres a huge difference in what's available to what standard and at what price between EU and uk so who gives a f***?
 

Mouser

Member
Location
near Belfast
Ah, what majority! This notion that what’s goes in Chelsea and what’s right for Chelsea, is equally good for NI, is total nonsense. NI majority gave their representatives a clear instructions. We don’t want Brexit.
DUP dug a hole, Boris shoved them in. Poetic justice in a way.
What hole? By voting for Brexit? If the whole of NI had voted to remain, leave would still have won.
Still think the whole thing can be sorted in time anyway, just paperwork exercise anyway. What will Ireland do when the EU doesn't have their back anymore I wonder?
 

Ashtree

Member
What hole? By voting for Brexit? If the whole of NI had voted to remain, leave would still have won.
Still think the whole thing can be sorted in time anyway, just paperwork exercise anyway. What will Ireland do when the EU doesn't have their back anymore I wonder?

Yes, there will I guess be a “fix” to the backstop.
The EU needs us more than we need them!😏
 
But what needs police? Smuggling at larne and belfast wont be policed. Only things being checked will be paperwork for the legal stuff! It's not as if theres a huge difference in what's available to what standard and at what price between EU and uk so who gives a f***?
Not at the moment, but the EU and the UK are most likely going to drift apart when it comes to standards, laws and rules.
It would only be natural.
 

Wellytrack

Member
The reality for Northern Ireland is unless those in positions to lobby for a change in the protocol we will continue to be a country within Europe whilst being strangled by GB.

Nobody voted for that, leavers or remain.
 

Ashtree

Member
The reality for Northern Ireland is unless those in positions to lobby for a change in the protocol we will continue to be a country within Europe whilst being strangled by GB.

Nobody voted for that, leavers or remain.
Did anybody who voted leave, have an idea what they were actually voting for? What was their expectation?
By the reactions currently of leavers in general, fishermen, hauliers, business people, importers, exporters, it seems none of them voted for what they actually got!
It’s hard to figure out what exactly they expected.
 

Wellytrack

Member
Did anybody who voted leave, have an idea what they were actually voting for? What was their expectation?
By the reactions currently of leavers in general, fishermen, hauliers, business people, importers, exporters, it seems none of them voted for what they actually got!
It’s hard to figure out what exactly they expected.

You would need to pose that question directly.

I would say it would be difficult to lump together common interests. Everyone wanted different things.
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
Did anybody who voted leave, have an idea what they were actually voting for? What was their expectation?

It’s hard to figure out what exactly they expected.


when i voted to leave europe. i expected the caribbean or maybe even the south pacific, I now belive that i was lied too as since voting it been nothing but cold and wet. i think the feckers have moved us to greenland/norway
 

Thecub

Member
Does anyone know how the Swiss EU border works with regard to moving farm machinery or livestock? Can't find any detail on this and whether their was a more workable approach available instead of the wonderful protocol which we are saddled with. For me the protocol is not a green or orange issue it's purely a financial and additional hastle one. If a version of the protocol can exist whereby we in Northern Ireland are not penalised financially or through red tape I for one would be happy enough. As an initial suggestion instead of customs posts let EU officials (under supervision) do their checks on the boat.
 

le bon paysan

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin, France
Does anyone know how the Swiss EU border works with regard to moving farm machinery or livestock? Can't find any detail on this and whether their was a more workable approach available instead of the wonderful protocol which we are saddled with. For me the protocol is not a green or orange issue it's purely a financial and additional hastle one. If a version of the protocol can exist whereby we in Northern Ireland are not penalised financially or through red tape I for one would be happy enough. As an initial suggestion instead of customs posts let EU officials (under supervision) do their checks on the boat.
In English
From Switzerland to the EU
From the EU to Switzerland including Brexit notes
 

Ashtree

Member
Does anyone know how the Swiss EU border works with regard to moving farm machinery or livestock? Can't find any detail on this and whether their was a more workable approach available instead of the wonderful protocol which we are saddled with. For me the protocol is not a green or orange issue it's purely a financial and additional hastle one. If a version of the protocol can exist whereby we in Northern Ireland are not penalised financially or through red tape I for one would be happy enough. As an initial suggestion instead of customs posts let EU officials (under supervision) do their checks on the boat.

There was a proposal for an EU office or base in NI for officials I guess to do this kind of stuff. Sadly it didn’t pass the “sovereignty” test for the Brexiteers.
 

The Agrarian

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Northern Ireland
If you are a United Kingdom citizen, and support your fellow citizens in Northern Ireland, who are being penalised unfairly by various measures in the NI protocol, then I'd urge you to add your voice to the following petition, in order that further pressure might be applied in high places to pursue acceptable arrangements.

Do take this opportunity to reject and disprove the cries of little England by acting in the interest of those without your county or historical border. Your country needs you.

 
NI is like that wee bit of a field you get for a handful of calves or a few rams and even though it's not far away as the crow flies it's actually on the other side of a river and the bridge is miles down stream making it a PITA to travel to.

You don't really want it, but there was a fuss made years ago about it so you'll look like a tool if you give it up and nobody else wants it because it needs limed, drained, reseeded and fenced.
What's more the boy you get it off thinks it's important, he also happens to be connected to a bunch of loons, some of whom aren't the most appreciative of anything you do for them.

If I was the boy with the wee field, I wouldn't lament too much and I'd appreciate the fact that anyone was even bothering with it.
 
Did anybody who voted leave, have an idea what they were actually voting for? What was their expectation?
By the reactions currently of leavers in general, fishermen, hauliers, business people, importers, exporters, it seems none of them voted for what they actually got!
It’s hard to figure out what exactly they expected.

Wasn't the Brexit campaign the ultimate 'Single Issue Pressure Group' that succeeded? The details and ramifications were completely overlooked.
 
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Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
If you are a United Kingdom citizen, and support your fellow citizens in Northern Ireland, who are being penalised unfairly by various measures in the NI protocol, then I'd urge you to add your voice to the following petition, in order that further pressure might be applied in high places to pursue acceptable arrangements.

Do take this opportunity to reject and disprove the cries of little England by acting in the interest of those without your county or historical border. Your country needs you.

Done; three signed from here, I'll forward the link to others. (y)
 

JimAndy

Member
Mixed Farmer
If you are a United Kingdom citizen, and support your fellow citizens in Northern Ireland, who are being penalised unfairly by various measures in the NI protocol, then I'd urge you to add your voice to the following petition, in order that further pressure might be applied in high places to pursue acceptable arrangements.

Do take this opportunity to reject and disprove the cries of little England by acting in the interest of those without your county or historical border. Your country needs you.



while i totally disagree with the Border in the Irish sea, I can't sign this

it giving the DuP a get of jail card they don't deserve. Look at there so call "5 point plan" no were in does it propose a solution to a problem they made. They had near 5 years to show how they would do a border, and still all we get is " wwa wa wa this isn't fair", and in the last year when they knew that the protocol WOULD happen. poot sat on his ass and did f**k all until Groves give him a kick up the ass, and even after that he did the bare minimum he could. so of course the border isn't working as it should, because poots didn't put in place and test the necessary systems need to make it work.

if the DuP had any balls at all and was serious about removing the Irish sea border they would collapse stormont. and force a vote. But no they doing a PR exercise to save they fat assess and well paid jobs (with pay that they would never earn in the private sector) because they f**k up Brexit and they know it
 

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