The NI/ROI Protocol

I'm no fan of the DuP but to call them unionist terrorist organisation is wrong. there is NO dup mla who have served a prison sentence for killing people or blowing up the country. do they have dodgy connection Yes, have they don't some dodgy things yes, but what party doesn't have such connections or done such thing. look at John Hume, was talking to the IRA while they were killing. he now seen as some sort of hero who helped bring the peace.

the fact remains that all the MAIN party's north and south have a past which is nothing to be proud about. only SF has active members who openly killed people
Just because they sat on an ivory tower didn't admit to being part of terrorism doesn't mean they weren't.
Paisley snr. was as much part of things as Gusty was and that cascaded down.
I always assumed that was well known, and that those who said it wasn't the case were either protecting the cause or were in denial.
 

Wellytrack

Member
I'm no fan of the DuP but to call them unionist terrorist organisation is wrong. there is NO dup mla who have served a prison sentence for killing people or blowing up the country. do they have dodgy connection Yes, have they don't some dodgy things yes, but what party doesn't have such connections or done such thing. look at John Hume, was talking to the IRA while they were killing. he now seen as some sort of hero who helped bring the peace.

the fact remains that all the MAIN party's north and south have a past which is nothing to be proud about. only SF has active members who openly killed people
Downing Street were taking to the IRA whilst they were still killing too, they also had Loyalist and IRA agents still murdering whilst abeing handled by Special Branch, Mi5 and the FRU.
 

The Agrarian

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Co Antrim
Who represented the loyalist paramilitaries in the agreement talks?

Not the DUP.

Your desire to implicate the DUP in terrorism seems to be blind to reality. What actually happened was that paisley went around lighting fires everywhere and lobbing in grenades into socially deprived areas. There were consequences of course, but not in the way you say. I think it so happened that Paisley drew a lot of electoral support from loyalist communities because of his big shouty persona, and how he drew near to them in a way the UUP did not. This is why the loyalist parties didn't have that support. They didn't have that shouty person.
 

Ashtree

Member
So Jeffrey is most likely to be crowned leader of the DUP. Not even a token candidate to challenge him, if only for appearances sake!
The same man was rejected by a majority of MLA’s less than a month ago. All this at a time when unionism needs strong leadership and unity, more than ever in the past.
You do have to wonder what it is they are smokin these days….
 

The Agrarian

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Location
Co Antrim
He's a brave man.

His only option is to go hardline, otherwise the group that threw Foster out will be constantly nipping at his heels and threatening to block him.
 

Ashtree

Member
The trouble with hardline is that in all likelihood a deal will be done between UK and EU to sort out the tiresome checks. GB has its eyes on the US trade deal, which is not being helped by the fuss over the protocol. Rumour has it that a lot of progress already made in that regards to the detail of those checks.
Hardline from a damaged DUP, is unlikely to win out. The Protocol will be made work, perhaps it will be renamed, but it will still exist in reality. Maybe another bung will be written for NI, for which Jeffrey can claim credit and fight the next assembly election on that. After the next Stormont or Commons for that matter, it will probably be time for most if not all of the current old stagers in DUP to ride off into the sunset.
 

Wellytrack

Member
It should be important to find out if the DUP's support is as hard-line, I suspect as many will be turned off by it as on.
 

Ashtree

Member
and how much DUP support in past Assembly Elections is down to the tactic of emphasizing vote DUP to stop SF been the biggest party in the assembly etc ?
That worked in the old days. It’s a changed landscape nowadays. Just that DUP instinct changes so much slower than every other party and society at large.
 
The only one to blame is Boris, he signed the UK up to what he described as a wonderful and fabulous deal.

I think the longer this moaning continues the less the British government would lament being rid of NI.

There seems to be a growing opinion on the mainland that the UK would be better off without NI as it's holding the rest of the country back from getting on with life after brexit.
Over here you're all just classed as a bunch of Paddys anyway.
 

Ashtree

Member
The only one to blame is Boris, he signed the UK up to what he described as a wonderful and fabulous deal.

I think the longer this moaning continues the less the British government would lament being rid of NI.

There seems to be a growing opinion on the mainland that the UK would be better off without NI as it's holding the rest of the country back from getting on with life after brexit.
Over here you're all just classed as a bunch of Paddys anyway.
Yes indeed. NI is firmly in the UK rear view mirror. Barely six months since the deal with the EU, the NI - GB trade has collapsed, and the NI - ROI trade has increased immensely. Brexit and the ERG/DUP deal, has pushed NI out of the GB economic orbit and into ROI economic orbit.
The upcoming tinkering and fixing to the Protocol will simply copper fasten that. Once the marching season is over the last pyre of pallets has been burned, Boris will sink the blade again, in the union with NI. Jeffrey will surely have a lot of explaining to do come next election.
 
Yes indeed. NI is firmly in the UK rear view mirror. Barely six months since the deal with the EU, the NI - GB trade has collapsed, and the NI - ROI trade has increased immensely. Brexit and the ERG/DUP deal, has pushed NI out of the GB economic orbit and into ROI economic orbit.
The upcoming tinkering and fixing to the Protocol will simply copper fasten that. Once the marching season is over the last pyre of pallets has been burned, Boris will sink the blade again, in the union with NI. Jeffrey will surely have a lot of explaining to do come next election.
Jeffery could grope some peoples wives and they'd still vote for the DUP, SF have followers with a similar mentality.
As @Wellytrack has already mentioned, it's not always about who you vote for it's often more about who you're keeping out.
 

Could a ‘Meat Tax’ be on the cards in the UK?

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Written by Richard Halleron from Agriland

The latest machination coming from the so-called ‘opinion formers’, who seem to have the ear of government advisors in London, is the introduction of a ‘Meat Tax’ at consumer level.

This approach, it is argued, would have the combined impact of reducing meat consumption levels (I can really see the health benefits coming through now), while also helping to reduce the overall carbon footprint of production agriculture.

What absolute drivel! In my opinion, none of this makes sense at any level. This is a scurrilous and unfounded attack on livestock farming in this part of the world.

Yet, it has to be taken seriously. I make this point because economists at Rothamsted Research have already crunched the numbers where the introduction of a ‘UK...
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