The NI/ROI Protocol

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
while i totally disagree with the Border in the Irish sea, I can't sign this

it giving the DuP a get of jail card they don't deserve. Look at there so call "5 point plan" no were in does it propose a solution to a problem they made. They had near 5 years to show how they would do a border, and still all we get is " wwa wa wa this isn't fair", and in the last year when they knew that the protocol WOULD happen. poot sat on his ass and did fudge all until Groves give him a kick up the ass, and even after that he did the bare minimum he could. so of course the border isn't working as it should, because poots didn't put in place and test the necessary systems need to make it work.

if the DuP had any balls at all and was serious about removing the Irish sea border they would collapse stormont. and force a vote. But no they doing a PR exercise to save they fat assess and well paid jobs (with pay that they would never earn in the private sector) because they fudge up Brexit and they know it
You'd not be signing it for the DUP, just for Parliament to debate it; the more it's raised and talked about the better. The 'deal' has loads of lacunae - the recent protocol being a prime example - and the EU's balls-up has set a a very low bar of a precedent for them to be used. (y)
 

The Agrarian

Member
Location
Co Antrim
while i totally disagree with the Border in the Irish sea, I can't sign this

it giving the DuP a get of jail card they don't deserve. Look at there so call "5 point plan" no were in does it propose a solution to a problem they made. They had near 5 years to show how they would do a border, and still all we get is " wwa wa wa this isn't fair", and in the last year when they knew that the protocol WOULD happen. poot sat on his ass and did fudge all until Groves give him a kick up the ass, and even after that he did the bare minimum he could. so of course the border isn't working as it should, because poots didn't put in place and test the necessary systems need to make it work.

if the DuP had any balls at all and was serious about removing the Irish sea border they would collapse stormont. and force a vote. But no they doing a PR exercise to save they fat assess and well paid jobs (with pay that they would never earn in the private sector) because they fudge up Brexit and they know it
I'm not signing it for the DUP, or to give them a get out of jail card. Signing for my countrymen and women, my children, and myself.
 

Ashtree

Member
I’m tempted to sign it myself, and I’m a ROI citizen. I’m tempted as ordinary people and ordinary businesses, particularly when at the ballot box, clearly said “we don’t want anything to do with this stupid idea! They the people l, KNEW their day to day lives within the EU were infinitely better, than anything English nationalists, Tory demagogues, Etonian Farts or the DUP could offer. The aforementioned collection of fraudsters have quite simply created an economic and constitutional crisis, which has only begun to play out.
The protocol will be discussed in Westminster, the DUP will whinge and whine and embarrass themselves, Mogg and his motley crew will “sympathise” and declare “NI is an integral part of the Union”. There will be a bit of a declaration and blah, blah. There will be another dust up with the EU. There will be another fudge. The can will be kicked down the road.
Of course there will also be some bedding in over time of these new border arrangements and life will return partly to normal. BUT, if your are a “loyal British unionist” from NI, you will forever feel shafted. You will forever rue the day Farage pulled the stunt, and forever rue the “our way or no way” mindset of the Unionist establishment and the DUP in particular.
Are there any pragmatic unionists in politics who can now step up to deal with and make the best of life after the Union?
 

Ashtree

Member
from monday there the Garda will be fining anyone from Norther Irland 100 euro for crossing the border and tellings them to go home
So what? They are fining people from ROI, and telling them go home! We have a pandemic playing out. I have two twenty somethings holed up in the house, who can’t travel out more than 5km. Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. Meanwhile ROI ambulance service crosses the border to help in NI. Equally extraordinary times require extraordinary measures.
Let’s all be pragmatic, and do what’s good for ordinary citizens.
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
SDLP slams hard border 'misinformation' as Gardaí to stop all 'non-essential' travel
NI holidaymakers heading to Dublin airport will face €500 fine
Gardai will be able to fine NI motorists from Monday.
David Young
February 05 2021 10:30 PM
The SDLP has refuted claims that plans by the Irish police to close the border to non-essential travel from 7am on Monday amounts to a 'hard border'.

Unionist politicians, however, said the Garda action undermined Irish Government claims the border could not be policed.

Northern Ireland holiday makers heading to Dublin airport could be hit with a €100 fine from Monday and the new measures will apply to anyone who is "not ordinarily resident" in the Republic.

Buses and trains will also be checked, a Garda spokesperson said, and stressed that fines will be only be enforced as a last resort.

The force explicitly warned that travel to airports to go on holiday was "non-essential".


"An Garda Síochána is also continuing to conduct checkpoints on access roads to airports and ports, as well as in departure areas, to check on whether people travelling to these locations are undertaking an essential journey.

"Travelling to an airport or port to take a holiday abroad is not an essential journey," the Garda said in a statement.

The force said if enforcement is required a fixed payment notice for €100 will be issued to each person who is in breach of the regulation.

The new rules mean the Garda can turn back day-trippers from Northern Ireland.

Under the Republic's current Covid-19 restrictions, travel is restricted to within 5km of a person's home except for essential reasons.


People travelling to an airport or port to take a holiday abroad may also be liable for a €500 fine.

Matthew O’Toole MLA, the SDLP Brexit spokesman, denied claims the move amounts to a hard border on the island of Ireland.

"Garda are enforcing rules on non-essential travel rules - as they are also doing between counties in the Republic - is clearly not a hard border.

"Constantly amping up misinformation like this helps no one," he said.

East Belfast MP Gavin Robinson, however, said: "This is a bit awkward for Simon Coveney and the 'no hard border' sledgehammer brigade.


"Seems like the RoI government is taking a decent go at hardening the existing international border between their country and Northern Ireland.

"It would seem the Republic can enforce a north-south border when it suits - which once again blows apart their arguments about the NI Protocol and it also demonstrates how hollow their antics have been for the last four years.

"The Irish position was never about the Belfast Agreement or peace. It was entirely self-serving.

"The border deniers will have been left scratching their heads on this one," the MP said.

UUP MLA Doug Beattie said the Garda move was "a game-changer".


"We have been told for four and a half years that not only can we not have a hard border, we cannot have a single camera on the border," he said.

"Within the past week we have seen that the EU is prepared to instigate a hard border and today we find the Garda are ready, willing and able to secure the border from 7am on Monday.

"This is an absolute game changer and means that the entire Brexit negotiations took place under false pretences. Given the fiasco that the Protocol has turned out to be, it is now time to reassess the situation.

"A border was put in the Irish Sea to placate those who promoted veiled threats of a potential return to violence should the hardening of the land border be considered. That has now been exposed as a sham. We must now negotiate an agreement which restores the trading links with the rest of the UK and undoes the damage done to the Belfast Agreement by the Protocol."


Belfast Telegraph
 
So what? They are fining people from ROI, and telling them go home! We have a pandemic playing out. I have two twenty somethings holed up in the house, who can’t travel out more than 5km. Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. Meanwhile ROI ambulance service crosses the border to help in NI. Equally extraordinary times require extraordinary measures.
Let’s all be pragmatic, and do what’s good for ordinary citizens.
Ashtree I actually agree with it
all borders between all country should be tighter with covid its just we are told nothing can hinder the Irish border if thr boot was on the other foot Shin Fain wood be up in arms
 

The Agrarian

Member
Location
Co Antrim
So what? They are fining people from ROI, and telling them go home! We have a pandemic playing out. I have two twenty somethings holed up in the house, who can’t travel out more than 5km. Extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. Meanwhile ROI ambulance service crosses the border to help in NI. Equally extraordinary times require extraordinary measures.
Let’s all be pragmatic, and do what’s good for ordinary citizens.
To do what's good for ordinary citizens. I agree. There's every reason for nationalists in Northern Ireland to sign the petition - it impacts them equally too. So much for working together. There should be a million signatures on it from Northern Ireland now. This is not what any ordinary citizen wants, bar a small number who happen to be placed to take business from GB suppliers. But Sinn Fein, SDLP and Alliance don't act in people's interests either.
 

Ashtree

Member
To do what's good for ordinary citizens. I agree. There's every reason for nationalists in Northern Ireland to sign the petition - it impacts them equally too. So much for working together. There should be a million signatures on it from Northern Ireland now. This is not what any ordinary citizen wants, bar a small number who happen to be placed to take business from GB suppliers. But Sinn Fein, SDLP and Alliance don't act in people's interests either.
Nationalist, Unionist and middle ground, signed the petition that mattered. The referendum. The DUP pretty much alone went against the will of the people, and against the will of many unionists in the process. Not even the UUP are now going to step up and get them off the hook. That’s politics.
I agree it’s an awful mess, but in real politics, it’s now a job of making what’s there work.
 

The Agrarian

Member
Location
Co Antrim
Now I didn't support Brexit, or the DUP in their pursuit of it. But, on a technical point, isn't that what referenda are for? Establishing what support for things is? We are able to say now, after the fact, that we know what the Northern Irish subdivision of the nation's majority view was. That's always the easy bit.
 

JimAndy

Member
Location
portadown
You'd not be signing it for the DUP, just for Parliament to debate it; the more it's raised and talked about the better. The 'deal' has loads of lacunae - the recent protocol being a prime example - and the EU's balls-up has set a a very low bar of a precedent for them to be used. (y)
the EU may have made a Balls Up. but they didn't stick an knife in out back like BoJo did when he sign the deal in the first place, so what the point of the debate, are the tories going to stand up and go " yea we stabbed N.I. in the back but so what England got Brexit so N.I can F off", nan it a pointless waffle so that come the next election the DUP can say "Look at what we done and what we said in a pointless debate, arn't we the big boys" to try and pull the wool over the votes eyes. and the sad thing is it will work :(
 

Danllan

Member
Location
Sir Gar / Carms
the EU may have made a Balls Up. but they didn't stick an knife in out back like BoJo did when he sign the deal in the first place, so what the point of the debate, are the tories going to stand up and go " yea we stabbed N.I. in the back but so what England got Brexit so N.I can F off", nan it a pointless waffle so that come the next election the DUP can say "Look at what we done and what we said in a pointless debate, arn't we the big boys" to try and pull the wool over the votes eyes. and the sad thing is it will work :(
I fully understand your feelings, I've heard the same from friends and family in NI too. But... bide your time, Boris needed a deal on the dot, the deal has plenty of room for all sorts of eventualities and there are plenty of things in the pipeline that are will make all the difference.
 

JimAndy

Member
Location
portadown
I fully understand your feelings, I've heard the same from friends and family in NI too. But... bide your time, Boris needed a deal on the dot, the deal has plenty of room for all sorts of eventualities and there are plenty of things in the pipeline that are will make all the difference.
what like the deal trump was going to give us. or joining the cptpp to become slaves to the asian markets. or is the German car makers going to finally step in and give us the unicorn deal Brexters keep talking about . I don't think Brexiters get it. in this world of instant gratification, you don't have a lot of time to show brexit working, and in 5-10 years time if the voters can't see a real advantage in their life's you going to see calls to rejoin the EU
 

Farm buy

Member
Livestock Farmer
SDLP slams hard border 'misinformation' as Gardaí to stop all 'non-essential' travel
NI holidaymakers heading to Dublin airport will face €500 fine
Gardai will be able to fine NI motorists from Monday.
David Young
February 05 2021 10:30 PM
The SDLP has refuted claims that plans by the Irish police to close the border to non-essential travel from 7am on Monday amounts to a 'hard border'.

Unionist politicians, however, said the Garda action undermined Irish Government claims the border could not be policed.

Northern Ireland holiday makers heading to Dublin airport could be hit with a €100 fine from Monday and the new measures will apply to anyone who is "not ordinarily resident" in the Republic.

Buses and trains will also be checked, a Garda spokesperson said, and stressed that fines will be only be enforced as a last resort.

The force explicitly warned that travel to airports to go on holiday was "non-essential".


"An Garda Síochána is also continuing to conduct checkpoints on access roads to airports and ports, as well as in departure areas, to check on whether people travelling to these locations are undertaking an essential journey.

"Travelling to an airport or port to take a holiday abroad is not an essential journey," the Garda said in a statement.

The force said if enforcement is required a fixed payment notice for €100 will be issued to each person who is in breach of the regulation.

The new rules mean the Garda can turn back day-trippers from Northern Ireland.

Under the Republic's current Covid-19 restrictions, travel is restricted to within 5km of a person's home except for essential reasons.


People travelling to an airport or port to take a holiday abroad may also be liable for a €500 fine.

Matthew O’Toole MLA, the SDLP Brexit spokesman, denied claims the move amounts to a hard border on the island of Ireland.

"Garda are enforcing rules on non-essential travel rules - as they are also doing between counties in the Republic - is clearly not a hard border.

"Constantly amping up misinformation like this helps no one," he said.

East Belfast MP Gavin Robinson, however, said: "This is a bit awkward for Simon Coveney and the 'no hard border' sledgehammer brigade.


"Seems like the RoI government is taking a decent go at hardening the existing international border between their country and Northern Ireland.

"It would seem the Republic can enforce a north-south border when it suits - which once again blows apart their arguments about the NI Protocol and it also demonstrates how hollow their antics have been for the last four years.

"The Irish position was never about the Belfast Agreement or peace. It was entirely self-serving.

"The border deniers will have been left scratching their heads on this one," the MP said.

UUP MLA Doug Beattie said the Garda move was "a game-changer".


"We have been told for four and a half years that not only can we not have a hard border, we cannot have a single camera on the border," he said.

"Within the past week we have seen that the EU is prepared to instigate a hard border and today we find the Garda are ready, willing and able to secure the border from 7am on Monday.

"This is an absolute game changer and means that the entire Brexit negotiations took place under false pretences. Given the fiasco that the Protocol has turned out to be, it is now time to reassess the situation.

"A border was put in the Irish Sea to placate those who promoted veiled threats of a potential return to violence should the hardening of the land border be considered. That has now been exposed as a sham. We must now negotiate an agreement which restores the trading links with the rest of the UK and undoes the damage done to the Belfast Agreement by the Protocol."


Belfast Telegraph
I think you are mis reading or have not read the covid rules that the ROI have in force, They have a 5 km travel rule in place for all the country covered by the Police in the south. If what your saying is correct, all over the ROI are borders but the rules state 5km from home which is different for everybody.These rule are for indivduals to controll the spread of covid. If people in any UK area under lockdown covid rules are outside their areas or turn up in NI, they have broken covid rules. It has nothing to do with Brexit agreement or the Eu.
 
I’m tempted to sign it myself, and I’m a ROI citizen. I’m tempted as ordinary people and ordinary businesses, particularly when at the ballot box, clearly said “we don’t want anything to do with this stupid idea! They the people l, KNEW their day to day lives within the EU were infinitely better, than anything English nationalists, Tory demagogues, Etonian Farts or the DUP could offer. The aforementioned collection of fraudsters have quite simply created an economic and constitutional crisis, which has only begun to play out.
The protocol will be discussed in Westminster, the DUP will whinge and whine and embarrass themselves, Mogg and his motley crew will “sympathise” and declare “NI is an integral part of the Union”. There will be a bit of a declaration and blah, blah. There will be another dust up with the EU. There will be another fudge. The can will be kicked down the road.
Of course there will also be some bedding in over time of these new border arrangements and life will return partly to normal. BUT, if your are a “loyal British unionist” from NI, you will forever feel shafted. You will forever rue the day Farage pulled the stunt, and forever rue the “our way or no way” mindset of the Unionist establishment and the DUP in particular.
Are there any pragmatic unionists in politics who can now step up to deal with and make the best of life after the Union?
You mean me signing this petition 19 times has been a wasted effort? Damn it!!

I wanted the big bridge to get me over to visit my friends and relations.
Does this mean the bridge might not be built?
 

nivilla1982

Member
Livestock Farmer
I think you are mis reading or have not read the covid rules that the ROI have in force, They have a 5 km travel rule in place for all the country covered by the Police in the south. If what your saying is correct, all over the ROI are borders but the rules state 5km from home which is different for everybody.These rule are for indivduals to controll the spread of covid. If people in any UK area under lockdown covid rules are outside their areas or turn up in NI, they have broken covid rules. It has nothing to do with Brexit agreement or the Eu.
I am familiar with the rules operating in the ROI. The point been made is the ROI authorities have gone to the effort of placing Garda on or near the border to enforce their rules, yet for the last number of years have been saying it would be impossible to police said border, and checks or infrastructure would encourage dissident republican terrorists.
 

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