The NI/ROI Protocol

stewart

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Horticulture
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I don't know what gave you that idea. Are you saying illegal migrants first cross to Ireland and then enter the UK that way? Come off it Stewart.

I take the view that there are historical and cultural tensions in Northern Ireland, and the EU would do well to steer clear of it. What border arrangements the two parties want is solely up to them. As a person living in England, it is of no concern to me. As I understand it, both sides freely travel over what is now just some signs and a line on a map. The EU are deliberately being obstinate over this issue when in reality, no issue exists. It's not like someone is going to smuggle British pork into Ireland and then try to sell it into the EU on the cheap. The have stoked this issue from day 1. They should just drop it.
The UK voted to leave wanting to control its borders, one of those borders is between NI and Eire, due to past problems it would not be in the best interests of either country to have a border in the island of Ireland, the logical place is in the Irish Sea, which the UK agreed to, they now want to renege on the agreement, why do you see this as the EU being obstinate. It really is time for the UK to stop being so childish, blaming the EU for problems of their own making.
 
The UK voted to leave wanting to control its borders, one of those borders is between NI and Eire, due to past problems it would not be in the best interests of either country to have a border in the island of Ireland, the logical place is in the Irish Sea, which the UK agreed to, they now want to renege on the agreement, why do you see this as the EU being obstinate. It really is time for the UK to stop being so childish, blaming the EU for problems of their own making.
Funny how the seamless invisible border can magically appear when it’s in the republic’s interest eg during covid when checks and restrictions were in place
 

wdah/him

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tyrone
why not just put the border where the eu mainland ends, obviously anything then going to a tiny part of the eu will be via road through britain or boat to ireland, do all checks at EU mainland ports, simple
 

wdah/him

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tyrone
Because Ireland is a member of the EU.
Last time I checked NI was a part of Great Britain, so a sea border could easily go between EU and Great Britain and Ireland, just another way of looking at the sea border issue place it somewhere else, perhaps it has been looked at and turned down. I understood that quite a bit of trade happens between Ireland and GB, and quite a bit of goods from Ireland, went by road through Gb and many of those goods shared lorries and possible had to be reloaded which gave way to more paper work and costs.

Im not fully read up on this all I think it nearly seems like no one wants to take responsibility to sign anything of incase history makes them look like they balls it up.
 

stewart

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Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
Last time I checked NI was a part of Great Britain, so a sea border could easily go between EU and Great Britain and Ireland, just another way of looking at the sea border issue place it somewhere else, perhaps it has been looked at and turned down. I understood that quite a bit of trade happens between Ireland and GB, and quite a bit of goods from Ireland, went by road through Gb and many of those goods shared lorries and possible had to be reloaded which gave way to more paper work and costs.

Im not fully read up on this all I think it nearly seems like no one wants to take responsibility to sign anything of incase history makes them look like they balls it up.
I don’t think NI is part of Great Britain? The fundamental thing is the UK ( which NI is part of ), agreed to a customs border in the Irish Sea, they now want to renege on that agreement.
 

Ashtree

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Funny how the seamless invisible border can magically appear when it’s in the republic’s interest eg during covid when checks and restrictions were in place
What a load of utter bollox. Borders appeared on every single one of the 26 counties in ROI. 95% of the population at one point in time were restricted to a 5 mile radius of home. Nobody allowed to cross a county border except essential services.
ROI strict lockdown policies as above, resulted in the health service never getting overwhelmed like in NI, where you adopted a looser arrangement. Of course we did send our ambulance service and paramedics over the border with NI, on occasions when your system couldn’t cope.
Don‘t mention it. It was a pleasure.
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer
What a load of utter bollox. Borders appeared on every single one of the 26 counties in ROI. 95% of the population at one point in time were restricted to a 5 mile radius of home. Nobody allowed to cross a county border except essential services.
ROI strict lockdown policies as above, resulted in the health service never getting overwhelmed like in NI, where you adopted a looser arrangement. Of course we did send our ambulance service and paramedics over the border with NI, on occasions when your system couldn’t cope.
Don‘t mention it. It was a pleasure.
Works both ways, hospital in Londonderry serves plenty with ROI addresses etc.
 

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer

nivilla1982

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Livestock Farmer

JimAndy

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Mixed Farmer
Funny how the seamless invisible border can magically appear when it’s in the republic’s interest eg during covid when checks and restrictions were in place

What a load of utter bollox. Borders appeared on every single one of the 26 counties in ROI. 95% of the population at one point in time were restricted to a 5 mile radius of home. Nobody allowed to cross a county border except essential services.
ROI strict lockdown policies as above, resulted in the health service never getting overwhelmed like in NI, where you adopted a looser arrangement. Of course we did send our ambulance service and paramedics over the border with NI, on occasions when your system couldn’t cope.
Don‘t mention it. It was a pleasure.
Lol at the height of the lockdown, you couldn't find a parking space in Newry, as they were all filled with cars from the RoI, and when they shut the pubs in RoI , we near ran out off beer cause we were selling so much to RoI customers. So at one of the times when rules were the tightest , people and goods were crossing faster than ever
 
Funny how the seamless invisible border can magically appear when it’s in the republic’s interest eg during covid when checks and restrictions were in place
That's true, but during BSE NI cattle were very much different to the rest of the UK, even Paisley suggested so

As they say
It is easy to get a someone to believe something, when their making a living depends upon them believing it.
 

Ashtree

Member
Lol at the height of the lockdown, you couldn't find a parking space in Newry, as they were all filled with cars from the RoI, and when they shut the pubs in RoI , we near ran out off beer cause we were selling so much to RoI customers. So at one of the times when rules were the tightest , people and goods were crossing faster than ever
Ah, sure you know yourself. Rules are made for breaking.
 

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