The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

Would you leave or remain a Red Tractor ACCS member ?

  • Yes, I would resign my Red Tractor (ACCS) membership and join a new "equal to imports" Scheme

    Votes: 597 96.4%
  • No, I would remain in the Red Tractor scheme

    Votes: 22 3.6%

  • Total voters
    619

scavinge

Member
Location
kent downs
I voted yes as you only have go on utube/internet and you can see how the rest of the world farms. Why are we all doing our anuaul stressfull paper chase (which is the same for any size of farm, me being small) when the consumer will happly buy imported food from the cheapest country availble. If the public wants UK farmers to adhere to higher standards than everyone else then they should pay us for doing it, as it would be "public good".
 

texelburger

Member
Location
Herefordshire
if they are braking competition laws i see no reason why not

hundreds of millions of farmers money has been consumed by this over the years

looking forward to some high level specialist proper legal opinion on this !
If does seem grossly unfair for the dairy farmers not to have another market for their produce with RT sewing the it up.No competition is dangerous.
 
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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I voted yes as you only have go on utube/internet and you can see how the rest of the world farms. Why are we all doing our anuaul stressfull paper chase (which is the same for any size of farm, me being small) when the consumer will happly buy imported food from the cheapest country availble. If the public wants UK farmers to adhere to higher standards than everyone else then they should pay us for doing it, as it would be "public good".
The mad thing is that if you asked the consumer if they would happily buy imported and showed them what it was.....they would quite likely say no. But most of the time it never crosses their mind, and because they don't want to know, they carry on regardless. It's only if you ask them and they think they have a choice that they care....but 5 mins later and everything else is more important so back to not caring again.

The public wants all goods to adhere to higher standards.....when you ask. But in reality doesn't seem to care. Everyone wants more or better if they think that it's a zero-cost choice. It's only when you have to put your hand in your pocket that that changes.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Most of the time, I think they will buy cheapest first then British, depending on their financial circs.

What no one likes is when the retailer misrepresents a product as British when it is imported (apart from the retailer that is)
Plenty of people who buy such a product don't even know it.....they might not like it if they knew, but since they don't, they probably don't dislike it.
 
I spoke with three middle aged ladies who were walking where they shouldn’t today, after pointing out the error of their ways they were genuinely interested in what was going on on the farm so I posed the question, do you look for the red tractor logo when shopping, one had never heard of it, one said she shopped on price, flavour, known brands etc, the last said yes as it meant the product was produced in the U.K. to a high standard, now she knows that isn’t necessarily the case and she wasn’t best pleased.
 

spin cycle

Member
Location
north norfolk
if they are braking competition laws i see no reason why not

hundreds of millions of farmers money has been consumed by this over the years

looking forward to some high level specialist proper legal opinion on this !
i'm very much not a lawyer BUT a quick look at CMA and putting into assured/aic scenario there appears, i think, clear evidence of discriminatory practice against home grown stuff

if RT was 'sold' to farmers as something to give a 'premium' and that 'premium' hasn't materialised then surely that's miss selling :scratchhead:
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
to have any credibility yes

but

i don’t agree a scheme should exist at all when imports carry no FARM assurance

inspection should be by legally mandated bodies like HSE , FSA, EA etc NOT the self appointed, additional red tractor police !
You are correct Clive. There is however a danger that when those bodies do conduct an inspection astronomical invoices often follows.
 

Clive

Staff Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Lichfield
You are correct Clive. There is however a danger that when those bodies do conduct an inspection astronomical invoices often follows.
those bodies are no more or less likey to inspect because of anything to do with Red Tractor

they ARE the law and no NFU invention insisted upon by a bunch of over powerful shopkeepers to keep UK producers uncompetitive will ever top trump the law !
 
The mad thing is that if you asked the consumer if they would happily buy imported and showed them what it was.....they would quite likely say no. But most of the time it never crosses their mind, and because they don't want to know, they carry on regardless. It's only if you ask them and they think they have a choice that they care....but 5 mins later and everything else is more important so back to not caring again.

The public wants all goods to adhere to higher standards.....when you ask. But in reality doesn't seem to care. Everyone wants more or better if they think that it's a zero-cost choice. It's only when you have to put your hand in your pocket that that changes.
Our food regs are a disgrace. Only need to declare 66%.
If you signpost to the customer what they are buying a lot will pay extra for it.
I for one would buy milk, cheese and butter from free range cows. If you have 1000 cows in a shed sell it for milk powder or whatever as far as I am concerned. Free range eggs outsell the others but the description of what is free range leaves a lot to be desired. There should be caged, non caged and true free range.
 

dairyrow

Member
NFU Online

4 h ·

When you buy Red Tractor food, it comes from family farms like this where 9th generation farmer Lauren looks after her after her animals to some of the highest standards in the world.
On Lauren's farm, that means working with a vet to ensure their animals stay fit and healthy, as well as rotating the fields where they graze so that they always have access to fresh pasture.
#BackBritishFarming
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Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
NFU Online

4 h ·

When you buy Red Tractor food, it comes from family farms like this where 9th generation farmer Lauren looks after her after her animals to some of the highest standards in the world.
On Lauren's farm, that means working with a vet to ensure their animals stay fit and healthy, as well as rotating the fields where they graze so that they always have access to fresh pasture.
#BackBritishFarming
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If only those pesky non-Red Tractor farms did such revolutionary practices.... 🙄
 

Rejuvenating swards: Which option is best?

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Written by Brian McDonnell

Maintaining grass quality during mid-season grazing is important. Farmers can maintain quality by entering ideal grazing covers of 1,300 – 1,500kg DM/ha, and grazing down to a residual of 4cm every rotation.

If you are now in a situation where cows are not cleaning out paddocks as well as they should be, leading to the development of steamy grass within the sward, here are some options.

Common options for rejuvenating swards include:

  1. Take a silage cut, probably into bales, remove the material and start again with the aftermath...
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