The Red Tractor ACCS referendum
- Thread starter Clive
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It’s not their place though is it
Red tractor is produce assurance not elf n safety
- Location
- Mid Norfolk
Anyone else get the Beef and lamb email, but without the revisions? They're bloody useless.
- Location
- Yorks
Slightly weird isn't it. They say a few more standards have had to be introduced, because they are new legislation. Then they gold plate H & S laws.
Tbh, I don't think H & S has anything to do with food standards, so no reason to include it. Presume the worker welfare and modern slavery type proposed standards got thrown out, so why add an extra H & S rule.
It's supposed to be RT Assured FOOD Standards. Not a H & S audit.
SilliamWhale
Member
What is the latest state of play with ‘comingling’ Red Tractor assured grain with non-assured imported grain?
JM First of all, grain is not “comingled” as such. It is actually kept very separate, so it is possible to track Red Tractor grain all the way back to the farm. The comingling occurs when the miller is trying to get a particular blend for a flour.
Secondly, at the safety level, there is probably no difference – in fact, some millers would actually say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than Red Tractor, because they are subjected to huge amounts of lab testing.
In terms of the other, non-safety standards that may not apply to imported grain, the NFU is leading an inquiry to establish what the differences are.
How can you make Red Tractor more popular with farmers?
JM We don’t necessarily want to be more popular, but would like farmers to appreciate the benefits of Red Tractor more. The principal stakeholder for Red Tractor remains the consumer – and this will become even more important as the market opens up to imports.
There is no point in setting standards that drive farmers out of business, but there is also no point in setting standards that are so weak that imports suit consumers more. I’d also like farmers to recognise that, for what is a relatively minimal audit level, they get access to just about every market, domestically and overseas.
From a Q and A in the FW. Mosely is claiming some millers say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than UK because they are subjected to "huge amounts" of Lab testing. I personally think that's not true- certainly it seems a struggle to find out what tests are done on imported produce and the paper trail for it.
Is Oilseed Rape not comingled?
He wants farmers to appreciate the benefits of RT more. Well for a start why not deliver a premium? Why not create an easy interface to upload all the paperchase? Why not sack employees who insult those who have legitimate concerns about the double standards of the scheme? Why not recognise the UK RT grain market gets totally undermined by imports?
Also I had access to every market before Red Tractor. They are a private company who get in the way.
Also look out for them wanting to charge for compliance inspections for the SFI.
www.fwi.co.uk
JM First of all, grain is not “comingled” as such. It is actually kept very separate, so it is possible to track Red Tractor grain all the way back to the farm. The comingling occurs when the miller is trying to get a particular blend for a flour.
Secondly, at the safety level, there is probably no difference – in fact, some millers would actually say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than Red Tractor, because they are subjected to huge amounts of lab testing.
In terms of the other, non-safety standards that may not apply to imported grain, the NFU is leading an inquiry to establish what the differences are.
How can you make Red Tractor more popular with farmers?
JM We don’t necessarily want to be more popular, but would like farmers to appreciate the benefits of Red Tractor more. The principal stakeholder for Red Tractor remains the consumer – and this will become even more important as the market opens up to imports.
There is no point in setting standards that drive farmers out of business, but there is also no point in setting standards that are so weak that imports suit consumers more. I’d also like farmers to recognise that, for what is a relatively minimal audit level, they get access to just about every market, domestically and overseas.
From a Q and A in the FW. Mosely is claiming some millers say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than UK because they are subjected to "huge amounts" of Lab testing. I personally think that's not true- certainly it seems a struggle to find out what tests are done on imported produce and the paper trail for it.
Is Oilseed Rape not comingled?
He wants farmers to appreciate the benefits of RT more. Well for a start why not deliver a premium? Why not create an easy interface to upload all the paperchase? Why not sack employees who insult those who have legitimate concerns about the double standards of the scheme? Why not recognise the UK RT grain market gets totally undermined by imports?
Also I had access to every market before Red Tractor. They are a private company who get in the way.
Also look out for them wanting to charge for compliance inspections for the SFI.
New Red Tractor standards aim to improve farmyards - Farmers Weekly
Enhancing human safety and improving animal health and welfare are two of the main objectives behind the latest review of Red Tractor farm assurance
www.fwi.co.uk
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Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
What is the latest state of play with ‘comingling’ Red Tractor assured grain with non-assured imported grain?
JM First of all, grain is not “comingled” as such. It is actually kept very separate, so it is possible to track Red Tractor grain all the way back to the farm. The comingling occurs when the miller is trying to get a particular blend for a flour.
Secondly, at the safety level, there is probably no difference – in fact, some millers would actually say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than Red Tractor, because they are subjected to huge amounts of lab testing.
In terms of the other, non-safety standards that may not apply to imported grain, the NFU is leading an inquiry to establish what the differences are.
How can you make Red Tractor more popular with farmers?
JM We don’t necessarily want to be more popular, but would like farmers to appreciate the benefits of Red Tractor more. The principal stakeholder for Red Tractor remains the consumer – and this will become even more important as the market opens up to imports.
There is no point in setting standards that drive farmers out of business, but there is also no point in setting standards that are so weak that imports suit consumers more. I’d also like farmers to recognise that, for what is a relatively minimal audit level, they get access to just about every market, domestically and overseas.
From a Q and A in the FW. Mosely is claiming some millers say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than UK because they are subjected to "huge amounts" of Lab testing. I personally think that's not true- certainly it seems a struggle to find out what tests are done on imported produce and the paper trail for it.
Is Oilseed Rape not comingled?
He wants farmers to appreciate the benefits of RT more. Well for a start why not deliver a premium? Why not create an easy interface to upload all the paperchase? Why not sack employees who insult those who have legitimate concerns about the double standards of the scheme? Why not recognise the UK RT grain market gets totally undermined by imports?
Also I had access to every market before Red Tractor. They are a private company who get in the way.
Also look out for them wanting to charge for compliance inspections for the SFI.
New Red Tractor standards aim to improve farmyards - Farmers Weekly
Enhancing human safety and improving animal health and welfare are two of the main objectives behind the latest review of Red Tractor farm assurance
You can't reason with entrenched denial!
But my milling wheat doesn't end up in a RT product but I have to pay them so I can sell it they just don't get itWhat is the latest state of play with ‘comingling’ Red Tractor assured grain with non-assured imported grain?
JM First of all, grain is not “comingled” as such. It is actually kept very separate, so it is possible to track Red Tractor grain all the way back to the farm. The comingling occurs when the miller is trying to get a particular blend for a flour.
Secondly, at the safety level, there is probably no difference – in fact, some millers would actually say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than Red Tractor, because they are subjected to huge amounts of lab testing.
In terms of the other, non-safety standards that may not apply to imported grain, the NFU is leading an inquiry to establish what the differences are.
How can you make Red Tractor more popular with farmers?
JM We don’t necessarily want to be more popular, but would like farmers to appreciate the benefits of Red Tractor more. The principal stakeholder for Red Tractor remains the consumer – and this will become even more important as the market opens up to imports.
There is no point in setting standards that drive farmers out of business, but there is also no point in setting standards that are so weak that imports suit consumers more. I’d also like farmers to recognise that, for what is a relatively minimal audit level, they get access to just about every market, domestically and overseas.
From a Q and A in the FW. Mosely is claiming some millers say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than UK because they are subjected to "huge amounts" of Lab testing. I personally think that's not true- certainly it seems a struggle to find out what tests are done on imported produce and the paper trail for it.
Is Oilseed Rape not comingled?
He wants farmers to appreciate the benefits of RT more. Well for a start why not deliver a premium? Why not create an easy interface to upload all the paperchase? Why not sack employees who insult those who have legitimate concerns about the double standards of the scheme? Why not recognise the UK RT grain market gets totally undermined by imports?
Also I had access to every market before Red Tractor. They are a private company who get in the way.
Also look out for them wanting to charge for compliance inspections for the SFI.
New Red Tractor standards aim to improve farmyards - Farmers Weekly
Enhancing human safety and improving animal health and welfare are two of the main objectives behind the latest review of Red Tractor farm assurance
- Location
- Cirencester
JM sounds even more full of shite than I first thought! Does he think we were born yesterday, arrogant osser
We all knows it's banged straight into mills and mixed, even my trader was telling me how pee'd off he was about all his lorries having to wait hours to be tipped while lorries offloading boats just sailed past straight into the mill and tipped.
The whole system is just junk, you see the new proposals from RT and am sure a lot of you will be thinking, oh that's not too bad just a few extras, you need to remember that this is the attitude that has got us into the current state we're in now.
So what's the betting another raft of rules and regs proposals next year, when they hope we will have forgotten about it and the heat will have calmed down.
We all knows it's banged straight into mills and mixed, even my trader was telling me how pee'd off he was about all his lorries having to wait hours to be tipped while lorries offloading boats just sailed past straight into the mill and tipped.
The whole system is just junk, you see the new proposals from RT and am sure a lot of you will be thinking, oh that's not too bad just a few extras, you need to remember that this is the attitude that has got us into the current state we're in now.
So what's the betting another raft of rules and regs proposals next year, when they hope we will have forgotten about it and the heat will have calmed down.
SilliamWhale
Member
The theoretical argument is that the AIC insist on it on behalf of their merchants..
The same merchants don't mind imports though...apparently they are better quality because they are "tested" more according to Mosley. Tested for what and to what quantities no one is sure.
Couple of AIC members on RT board...I've spoken to a few merchants who don't feel AIC offer them a lot for their money.
At the end of the day it comes down to how comfortable everyone is with allowing a single privately owned company being able to strangle the trade between business'. Unless you pay this company you are massively unable to access the market. I don't think its healthy at all. Remember the AIC and Merchants are offered all this for free so why wouldn't they take it? Its cost free for them but not to us. Why is there not a charge for merchants who want RT grain if its such a wondrous product?
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SilliamWhale
Member
I think strictly speaking grain with a RT end label doesn't get comingled. But that's because no one uses the RT label for combinable crops as end product. All RT grain gets co mingled with whatever mills want because for RT livestock its allowed anyway and no one values RT grain yet we still have to pay for market access
Yes and my feed wheat / barley just feeds chickens mostly , so not a Red Tractor labelled product at all
tullah
Member
- Location
- Linconshire
And there's a mouse in their pit too.
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
Jim Mosley talks out of his assured xxxxx. Google Oswald Mosley, he must be a close relation.
Just read the last page of these coments re rt etc when you think of the set up of it all it is absolutly sickening the private company put on farmers and the trade.
Imports do they test for contamination of none food objects eg glass contamination.
Imports do they test for contamination of none food objects eg glass contamination.
what an idiot - you can almost smell his contempt for farmers
yes OSR is comingled as is wheat when its made into a product and that's all the consumer cares about .............. product
he is just full of sh!t, like a politician ................... but a very bad one
. Mosely is claiming some millers say the safety standards of imported grain are higher than UK because they are subjected to "huge amounts" of Lab testing. I personally think that's not true- certainly it seems a struggle to find out what tests are done on imported produce and the paper trail for it.
New Red Tractor standards aim to improve farmyards - Farmers Weekly
Enhancing human safety and improving animal health and welfare are two of the main objectives behind the latest review of Red Tractor farm assurance
if this is true why will no one tell us what those tests are - we have asked AIC, RT, and AHDB ............................... no one seems to know ........................... or want to tell us at least !! my suspicion is it is not a lot of testing at all and as its, a bulk test (ie a boatload) its something every big central store could do meaning none of its member (thousands of farmers) would need to be RT assured
THIS their dirty little secret I suspect, the answer to this is the key to crushing this stupid gravy train once and for all as if we simply do the same testing it would be illegal for any buyer to discriminate