The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

[Grass And Grain]

He just dismissed what I was saying as if I was the only person who is dissatisfied with their blackmailing organisation. He stood there with an inane grin on his face. I didn't rate him, Guy Smith was a better bet.

RT could exist with the alternative pesticide declaration, giving end users and farmers a choice. No problem.

Guess they're scared RT will fail, and they've backed the wrong horse. They obviously prefer to keep it essentially mandatory, then it can't fail.

But then membera leave the NFU, and we become weaker.

Big mistake imho. No, HUGE mistake.

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

You do wonder how many times this has to happen and how much business they have to loose, before they actually take action.

The more business they are prepared to lose, the more it shows how much they must be making out of farm assurance.

 

[Wolds Beef]

Not just on the Grain side.!! I have a certificate gained in 1989 to handle Vet medicines. I am being told that it was the right course but I have to renew it!! I have practiced all that they taught me since then. I have a High Health Pedigree Lincoln Red Herd, have no BVD, Eliminated Neospora from the Herd. Have no Lepto in it and vaccinate for IBR. They say I still have to redo the certificate.!! View attachment Vet cert.pdf
WB

 

[texelburger]

Not just on the Grain side.!! I have a certificate gained in 1989 to handle Vet medicines. I am being told that it was the right course but I have to renew it!! I have practiced all that they taught me since then. I have a High Health Pedigree Lincoln Red Herd, have no BVD, Eliminated Neospora from the Herd. Have no Lepto in it and vaccinate for IBR. They say I still have to redo the certificate.!! View attachment 997004
WB

I have a OND in Agriculture which included animal husbandry,I also have 46 years of practice and I would be very reluctant to go on a course and be told what to do by some young jobsworth. I would probably leave the scheme if they insisted and interestingly looking at the market reports there seems to be an increasing % of sheep being sold that are non assured with some markets having higher numbers than assured.Perhaps more people are thinking the same.

 

[Grass And Grain]

I have a OND in Agriculture which included animal husbandry,I also have 46 years of practice and I would be very reluctant to go on a course and be told what to do by some young jobsworth. I would probably leave the scheme if they insisted and interestingly looking at the market reports there seems to be an increasing % of sheep being sold that are non assured with some markets having higher numbers than assured.Perhaps more people are thinking the same.

Most farmers I talk to are sick to the back teeth of RT. More and more rules put upon us.

Makes me more and more certain that (if for cerels we don't have any luck getting AHDB to help, which is the aim) if there were a farmer owned equivalent to RT, no processors or retailers or mills on the board, that farmers would jump ship immediately.

Then RT Combinable Crops doesn't have any farmer members, so it's irrelevant, they're dead in the water. We take control.

Harder to do with livestock and milk, as the supermarkets have bought into the RT brand, but very little branding on cereals.

So start with cereals. If no luck with talks between ourselves, AHDB, AIC etc. then I can see it happening.

 

[tullah]

The owners of RT, should be ashamed of themselves instead of continually promoting this nonsense with grinning faces telling farmers what's good for us while they are raking in salaries paid for by us.
Its nothing else but downright fraud.
Does anyone know if the Nfu members own Nfu or how it all works?

 

[bumkin]

The owners of RT, should be ashamed of themselves instead of continually promoting this nonsense with grinning faces telling farmers what's good for us while they are raking in salaries paid for by us.
Its nothing else but downright fraud.
Does anyone know if the Nfu members own Nfu or how it all works?

It does seem rather od that we pay someone to bust our nuts I don't know how we can get out of this, as I have said before it's like a protection racket if you don't give us the money we won't let you do business

 

[ploughman1963]

I might be wrong, but is a condition of RT dairy assurance that you also have to take out their beef assurance?

No - there is such a thing as 'minor beef' that is automatically assigned as part of dairy FA - BUT you have to stamp your feet and insist on it being given otherwise they will happily take your money for beef assurance unnecessarily!!

 

[Bruce Almighty]

No - there is such a thing as 'minor beef' that is automatically assigned as part of dairy FA - BUT you have to stamp your feet and insist on it being given otherwise they will happily take your money for beef assurance unnecessarily!!

In my experience that didn't work, I even had cows at Pickstock & simply had to just pay the sub & instantly the barreners became "assured"
It just shows what a load of b0ll0cks the whole job is

 

[ploughman1963]

In my experience that didn't work, I even had cows at Pickstock & simply had to just pay the sub & instantly the barreners became "assured"
It just shows what a load of b0ll0cks the whole job is

I agree, a load of bull poo but I have the refunds and the emails from Lloyds register and NSF to confirm

 

[Barleymow]

I thought he had left one gravy train looks like he can't stop smiling, from fb at the Lord mayor's parade on Saturday posted by rt

 

[Grass And Grain]

I thought he had left one gravy train looks like he can't stop smiling, from fb at the Lord mayor's parade on Saturday posted by rt
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Says it's "safe" on the placards.

I thought if RT gave you a non-comformance for failing one of the standards, that if you corrected it within 28 days, they give you your assurance status back.

So the food failed their high standards, but basically it gets retrospectively rubber stamped.

Is that the best assurance RT can give? Doesn't seem all that good to me.

And there they are saying "traceable" again. In respect to cereals, it often seemingly cannot be traced from farm to pack. E.g. when the grain has been blended in a central store.

 

[colhonk]

As they have always been...........BARE faced LIARS.

 

[tullah]

RT stuff must be the most unsafe product going. Its a crop grown by ticking boxes would you believe
The public prefer food where the farmer has put his time and effort into looking after the crop and producing
Uk Quality Grain ....not this other rubbish wheat which has to advertised by spending thousands with silly red tractors and corrupt smiling faces drawing big salaries.
Not long now before the public watch Channel 4 and vent their fury.

 

[Drillman]

Red tractor cannot and will never be able to match the traceability of artisan producers, local butchers and many farmers markets and farm shops. Even if any of the above don’t have any sort of rt inspection.

this is part of there failing imo and they have a very poor (non existent even) marketing strategy which offers the folks who pay into there scheme nothing back in return.

Until this changes I cant see how they can get any form of support from farm level.

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

I see the openfield compliance manager were talking red tractor et all up, in this month's farmers guide. Clear where allegiances lay.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I see the openfield compliance manager were talking red tractor et all up, in this month's farmers guide. Clear where allegiances lay.

Again, they don't pay for it

 

[Chris F]

I see the openfield compliance manager were talking red tractor et all up, in this month's farmers guide. Clear where allegiances lay.

Every page is paid for in Farmers Guide (they told us that) so openfield have paid to publish that content.

 

[carbonfibre farmer]

Every page is paid for in Farmers Guide (they told us that) so openfield have paid to publish that content.

Yes I'm well aware Farmers Guide is one giant advertorial. Same as CPM etc.

 

[Flat 10]

I see the openfield compliance manager were talking red tractor et all up, in this month's farmers guide. Clear where allegiances lay.

I read that and thought if you want all this stroke you are going to have to pay for it