I’m not sure why @Clive is making such a song & dance about this. He wants to start a new scheme. All he needs to do is get acceptance of the scheme by the grain buyers. Set up an auditing system for members and then come up with a membership price. It will be easier to “pass” and cheaper. Everyone will join who wants to. Why would you stay with Red Tractor? His scheme will be a massive success, market forces will ensure that. Why does he need a poll?
The Red Tractor ACCS referendum
- Thread starter Clive
- Start date
from what im told and whats in the consultation that is about to reach a new level ! we have to send a message here if they do that it WILL be the end of them
- Location
- Northumberlandia
oh right deffo count me in then, its red tape gone nuts as it is.
i don’t want to start a new scheme, i would much rather the one we had was made fit for purpose
we need to send a message
Breakthru
Member
- Location
- Scottish Borders
This is the reason I voted Leave. Jobs for the boys and girls and The Civil Service including the numpty managers in PHE who have proved again they are useless. The CS is the only "business?" in this country that has never used technology to cut labour and costs, just made more rules and paper to justify themselves.
The argument was always, Minister (that sclerotic overpaid bunch in Brussels) the EU says we have to do it. That cover story is blown now although it will drag on for a while. Boris reckons he will cure the economy by having more civil servants however a combination of events to do with Brexit and Covid will mean a lot less money generated by the private sector. The minute we begin to look like a bad bet in the world debt stakes there will have to be a major clear out of these people. The money comes in at the top from PS and the CS just creams off some and stirs it around. They do not create directly any money only consume it.
The argument was always, Minister (that sclerotic overpaid bunch in Brussels) the EU says we have to do it. That cover story is blown now although it will drag on for a while. Boris reckons he will cure the economy by having more civil servants however a combination of events to do with Brexit and Covid will mean a lot less money generated by the private sector. The minute we begin to look like a bad bet in the world debt stakes there will have to be a major clear out of these people. The money comes in at the top from PS and the CS just creams off some and stirs it around. They do not create directly any money only consume it.
- Location
- Northumberlandia
Its plane nuts if thats where we are at, just used as cash cows as usual aint we
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
Exactly. Everyone seems to want to ramp up regs and not reduce them, yet strangely are happy that imports are less than UK domestic and do not seem to want to raise them because they can’t have it both ways. High standards and cheap food.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
It would indeed. I would be happy with any standard as long as it was equal.
There should be one single standard, full stop. High or low it matters not.
Exactly ! all i’m asking for is consistency
- Location
- Yorks
Spot on Steevo.
If we were gettin £10/t bonus for having a sticker it'd be different. But we're not, there's no premium price for ACCS grain, and I think it was possibly inferred there would be at the outset of the scheme.
I've actually got something right in my life for once
Better see if you can back the winner tomorrow at Haydock, you're on a roll!!
- Location
- Huntingdon
Would it be possible to ‘formally present/ publish’ the results in a way that can be sent and presented to industry organisations and MPs and the like ? This would at least make a professional stance
- Location
- Northumberlandia
i seen all of that & there is more too this not making other countries adhere to the stricter standards we have too than meets the eye but where the idiots who's pocket this hurts the most
annoys the hell out of us all
- Location
- Northumberlandia
the crack some 20year was oh you will get £3-4 more per ton for being fully assured its a great thing this.... never seen a penny of that yet
They would want to know who the voters were. It seems anyone can vote whether or not they are affected. It's pointless. You need a poll of RT members only.
As it's a voluntary scheme, you might find that they suggest anyone not happy with the scheme, simply leaves......
- Location
- Suffolk
Grain passports are a joke... ask any lorry driver what most of the mills do with passports on arrival. More time and money wasted.
- Location
- Herefordshire
Trouble is if they tried to raise standards for imported grain ,nothing would change bar an extra piece of paper with a few more ticks on it.
- Location
- Yorks
I'm under the impreasion that it's probably not legal for either a company with market dominance (think one of the big UK rape crushers) or company with smaller market share if they are all acting together under a common set of trade body rules (for example the mills acting under the UFAS scheme), to have dissimilar trading conditions to similar transactions.
So if the company buys non assured grain from non-uk producers, but stipulates UK grain must be RT assured, then I think this would be illegal.
Check out Chapter 1 of the Competitions Act 1998. Example of a condition which is prohibited:-
"agreements which apply dissimilar conditions to similar transactions, placing other trading parties at a disadvantage"
Companies can be fined up to 10% of global turnover, so quite a serious reason for them to change their requirement for UK grain to be RT assured.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
The term “level playing field” has been banded around a lot the last few with regard to trading with the EUz
Funny how a level playing field doesn’t seem to actually mean that....
Take them to court. Crowd fund it on here.
That said, whatever the result, I am quite sure that it will not lead to a lowering of requirements on British farms. Surely everyone on here can see that what many appear to be arguing for is a lowering of standards? Down to legal requirements only? That is an impossible sell to anyone except some farmers. So long as we live in a developed 1st world country, this will never happen. Never.
Can you imagine the negative publicity it would generate for British agriculture???