The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

Would you leave or remain a Red Tractor ACCS member ?

  • Yes, I would resign my Red Tractor (ACCS) membership and join a new "equal to imports" Scheme

    Votes: 659 96.1%
  • No, I would remain in the Red Tractor scheme

    Votes: 27 3.9%

  • Total voters
    686

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
Perhaps we should all campaign to do just that with RT, turn it into a wholly member owned operation with annual member votes on changes.........
Trouble being, RT is tainted, the bulk of the public dont care and I bet the NFU wouldnt be wanting to relinquish control of the gravy train.
A Union Jack is the one thing a lot of the public understand, speak to anyone and they all say that. Grown (not packaged) in the UK carry a flag, job done. People are more concerned in buying British than they are anything with a red tractor on it. Just what I have gleaned from talking to people
 
As said on this string and before jobs for the boys, trannies and girls or whatever. New Brexit world with no subs soon. They have to cut their cloth to fit. VALUE for MONEY. If not get rid of it.
Any ideas of a referendum one man one vote isn't on these peoples' agenda.
As the Senator voted out in America famously said " the people have spoken, the B#stards! " We couldn't allow that to happen here surely?
The internet including TFF is bringing transparency which these people hate and bring on the revolution starting with the skewed AHDB Horti vote.
 

Chris F

Staff Member
Media
Location
Hammerwich
Gonna need more carriages hooking up soon as the gravy train is so full it’s starting to spill onto the tracks

network rail won’t be happy😂

Sooner or later we will find out all of these gravy train salaries - bet some of them are eye watering. Shall we try and guess how much Jim Mosely earns at Red Tractor?

Anyone at Red Tractor want to leak these in a wikileaks style?
 

texelburger

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
Sooner or later we will find out all of these gravy train salaries - bet some of them are eye watering. Shall we try and guess how much Jim Mosely earns at Red Tractor?

Anyone at Red Tractor want to leak these in a wikileaks style?
Is it not in the public domain ? Talking of Jim Moseley does anyone else also think he looks like Sheriff Woody from Toy Story 😅
 

2tractors

Member
Location
Cornwall
Never heard of it

You aren't the only one but farmers are already paying for it, AHDB supplying staff, asking DEFRA for seed corn, which will be from the reductions in BPS. What happened to Lantra, they aren't mentioned as a stakeholder?
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Sooner or later we will find out all of these gravy train salaries - bet some of them are eye watering. Shall we try and guess how much Jim Mosely earns at Red Tractor?

Anyone at Red Tractor want to leak these in a wikileaks style?

Red Tractor won't go on forever - ELMS will probably be a pretty big nail in the coffin for them unless they mutate.
 
You aren't the only one but farmers are already paying for it, AHDB supplying staff, asking DEFRA for seed corn, which will be from the reductions in BPS. What happened to Lantra, they aren't mentioned as a stakeholder?
Unfortunately with his main anti civil service adviser gone BOJO has been persuaded that the cure for the economy is more over paid over pensioned civil servants. Like Bitcoin there is a massive slump coming, rising inflation and interest rates and a sudden realisation from the "Banks" and hedge funds that maybe we aren't such a good bet after all. They thought they had austerity but it's coming in spades eventually. When less money is coming in from the private sector at the top be it farming fishing banking etc there is less for the CS to stir around. The front line of the Health service will be protected but the myriad of managers will have to be chopped and all other areas of the CS will have to realise computers are to create efficiency not paper. That will only happen when we get IBM Google etc to write the software not the clowns in what is now called Fujitsu(ICL). Couldn't write a ping pong ball game without the ball getting lost!
 

MrNoo

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Cirencester
Shall we try and guess how much Jim Mosely earns at Red Tractor?

Whatever he earns is whatever he earns but one thing I noticed was he was wearing brown shoes plus his suit, I would never in a million years trust anyone who wears brown shoes with a pin stripe suit. If someone cannot dress themselves .......
 

Simon Chiles

DD Moderator
@Guy Smith ........ your silence is deafening ! .... what are we paying you £500/day for exactly ?

So he can have a new drive, you wouldn’t want him to fail his next RT inspection for having potholes.
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Drillman

Member
Mixed Farmer
Sooner or later we will find out all of these gravy train salaries - bet some of them are eye watering. Shall we try and guess how much Jim Mosely earns at Red Tractor?

Anyone at Red Tractor want to leak these in a wikileaks style?
Probably need a bigger iPad so I can get all the zeros on the same line....
 

T C

Member
Location
Nr Kelso
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I don't get the NFU. On the one hand Minette Batters and NFU have campaigned that imports should meet UK standards. That's a reasonable ask.

Then NFU partly own RT, and they've got NFU representatives on the sector boards. Who owns AIC (UFAS, TASC, FEMAS etc.)? I don't know, but whoever owns AIC, has made up an assurance scheme which stipulates UK grain must be gold plated RT assured, whilst openly allows imported grain to be used in the self same mills.

The two things just don't marry up together. They're completely opposing policies.

Looking at the RT combinables board, the NFU member of the board is Kit Papworth. Is Kit on TFF? Anyone know him?

If you read this Kit, what do you think? We'd be interested if you'd join the discussion on here as to how to move this forward and produce a reasoned policy going forward.
@Kit Papworth
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall

I think Kit Papworth is on the RT Cereals and Sugar Beet board as the Sugar Beet representative. He is a member of the NFU Sugar Beet Board. I very much doubt he will bother to reply here, he is the only NFU Sugar Board member who cannot be bothered to provide a biography of his expertise on the NFU web site.
Assurance for Sugar Beet is a contractual requirement for British Sugar ( rather like it is for Dairy farmers). It is unlikely that the sugar rep would push back too hard on the RT board.
 

Grass And Grain

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Yorks
Ah great, Mr Papworth is active on here so should presumably be getting push notifications from tff that he's been tagged.

Kit, as one of the NFU guys on the board, you (and other NFU board members) are the farmers' voice on the board. Would you at all mind reading through some of this thread and commenting please.

Specifically on why NFU have repeatedly campaigned for imports to meet our standards, whilst NFU at helm of RT are pushing more and more RT standards on us, yet the assurance scheme rules allow non farm assured imported grains into UK mills and crushers, but RT, AIC and UFAS specifically require UK combinables going to those destinations to be RT assured.

The above is disadvantaging UK producers and decreasing our competitiveness. Would NFU and yourself as a NFU representative on the RT cereals board please explain your policy, and what you propose to do about this situation.

It's not tenable, and we need a way forward.

Thank you for your time, and for hopefully explaining this situation to RT. it would be good if you could contact RT about this ASAP (rather than waiting for the next board meeting.

@Guy Smith we need answers, and we need them now. We know you're on here, please give us the courtesy to reply. You're the chairman. Please be a chairman fit for purpose and address the issue.

Thanks guys.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 79 42.5%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 65 34.9%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.1%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 6 3.2%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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