The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

Would you leave or remain a Red Tractor ACCS member ?

  • Yes, I would resign my Red Tractor (ACCS) membership and join a new "equal to imports" Scheme

    Votes: 659 96.1%
  • No, I would remain in the Red Tractor scheme

    Votes: 27 3.9%

  • Total voters
    686

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
Yes, if we were to all leave RT, then no choice but to buy non-assured. It's just getting everyone together.

My membership is due, but I'm holding off paying if I can.

It's slightly tricky because we all have different start dates. Although i guess we could all rescind our membership at the same time. Just meed a strong union who's top brass don't take the RT shilling.:mad:
That's the elephant in the room, they are already buying non assured just not from UK farmers!

I have cancelled my direct debit. I'm due an inspection but stickers valid till October
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
another step is for every levy payer to write to the AHDB asking them to explain and justify the £250,000 annual payment made to Red Tractor, it doesn’t fit the remit of the AHDB so ask them to explain that

i have it on VERY good authority the AHDB are looking for a reason to stop this payment so lets ALL give them one

neither Nicholas Saphir or Paul Temple are fans of Red Tractor .................
 
Location
cumbria
I would kick in as well if that's the direction you guys want to go and I'm 100% livestock also😅.

Guy did give you the answer though I think, hell, he even told you how much he would want to be paid.

What he's doing there I don't know. I wouldn't go anywhere near Red Tractor for any amount of money. Let alone defend them.
 

An Gof

Member
Location
Cornwall
another step is for every levy payer to write to the AHDB asking them to explain and justify the £250,000 annual payment made to Red Tractor, it doesn’t fit the remit of the AHDB so ask them to explain that

i have it on VERY good authority the AHDB are looking for a reason to stop this payment so lets ALL give them one

neither Nicholas Saphir or Paul Temple are fans of Red Tractor .................

You sure about that @Clive. I always thought Paul Temple was an advocate of RT. He certainly seems to want whole Life Assurance and the ending of livestock markets.
 

Humble Village Farmer

Member
BASE UK Member
Location
Essex
another step is for every levy payer to write to the AHDB asking them to explain and justify the £250,000 annual payment made to Red Tractor, it doesn’t fit the remit of the AHDB so ask them to explain that

i have it on VERY good authority the AHDB are looking for a reason to stop this payment so lets ALL give them one

neither Nicholas Saphir or Paul Temple are fans of Red Tractor .................
Have you got an address for that Clive?
 

jonnieboy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North Yorkshire
I voted with the majority because as a combinable grower like Clive I feel we are not represented. Do we need accreditation of some form yes we do.
We have to farm to rules and the vast majority do
We do not need a self appointed regularity board though,
Case in point
My sprayer was new in March 2019 obviously we were in lockdown March 2020 sprayer had less than 500hrs on because of the wet autumn
I was threatened with expulsion because I didn’t have my sprayer tested
Finally got it done in June still less than 500hrs from new.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
I voted with the majority because as a combinable grower like Clive I feel we are not represented. Do we need accreditation of some form yes we do.
We have to farm to rules and the vast majority do
We do not need a self appointed regularity board though,
Case in point
My sprayer was new in March 2019 obviously we were in lockdown March 2020 sprayer had less than 500hrs on because of the wet autumn
I was threatened with expulsion because I didn’t have my sprayer tested
Finally got it done in June still less than 500hrs from new.
Do they test sprayers when they PDI them?

Majority of cars that blind me on the road are less than 3 years old!!
 

nick...

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
I have a contractor do my spraying.I got all the required details from him before the last inspection.he also does the spraying on another 8 or 9 farms.we all had the same inspector who insisted on seeing the same details for each farm even though it was all done over a couple of days and all detail were the same.not even any common sense then either.
nick...
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
On the topic of this idea of bringing urea fertiliser under Red Tractor....

Why do RT propose that farmers who are inspected by RT to make sure they are ‘doing things properly’ can use it....but on the flip side of that therefore a non RT farmer being advised by a FACTS qualified advisor cannot do so?!
 

legin

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
West Midlands
Let's decide on the best course of action.

Option 1.
Confront AIC directly, point out the strange rules and the discrimination (just my own view to use the word discrimination) between rules for UK farmer suppliers vs rest of world suppliers. See what they say.

Option 2.
As per Clive's suggestion, crowd fund a couple of hours from the right legal advisor. Would need to find the right person.

Option 3.
Go straight to CMA, as I suspect that might be the area of law that is applicable. It's totally free to submit information to CMA, they investigate and make a decision.

Option 4.
We're wasting our time. Go home and forget about it.

I don't like option 4, and think there is a strong case.

I've got £200 for the pot (if we need one), but even a pledge of £10 would help.

I think option 1, moving on up to option 3 if AIC are not cooperative. Companies can be fined 10% of global turnover, which is a lot for a big mill or crusher, and a big deterrent from going as far as getting a CMA ruling.
Let's decide on the best course of action.

Option 1.
Confront AIC directly, point out the strange rules and the discrimination (just my own view to use the word discrimination) between rules for UK farmer suppliers vs rest of world suppliers. See what they say.

Option 2.
As per Clive's suggestion, crowd fund a couple of hours from the right legal advisor. Would need to find the right person.

Option 3.
Go straight to CMA, as I suspect that might be the area of law that is applicable. It's totally free to submit information to CMA, they investigate and make a decision.

Option 4.
We're wasting our time. Go home and forget about it.

I don't like option 4, and think there is a strong case.

I've got £200 for the pot (if we need one), but even a pledge of £10 would help.

I think option 1, moving on up to option 3 if AIC are not cooperative. Companies can be fined 10% of global turnover, which is a lot for a big mill or crusher, and a big deterrent from going as far as getting a CMA ruling.
I will put £150 in.
 

texelburger

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
On the topic of this idea of bringing urea fertiliser under Red Tractor....

Why do RT propose that farmers who are inspected by RT to make sure they are ‘doing things properly’ can use it....but on the flip side of that therefore a non RT farmer being advised by a FACTS qualified advisor cannot do so?!
Good point.
 

legin

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
West Midlands
This needs to be for combinable crops. Assured Produce needs to be kept to one body, few years ago there was different schemes for McCain, Tesco, M&S etc, now under one roof with RT.
 

texelburger

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Herefordshire
This needs to be for combinable crops. Assured Produce needs to be kept to one body, few years ago there was different schemes for McCain, Tesco, M&S etc, now under one roof with RT.
It's funny though,I'm a member of RT but had to do another audit for M&S.I couldn't quite work it out.This was for lamb.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

  • 0 %

    Votes: 79 42.0%
  • Up to 25%

    Votes: 66 35.1%
  • 25-50%

    Votes: 30 16.0%
  • 50-75%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 75-100%

    Votes: 3 1.6%
  • 100% I’ve had enough of farming!

    Votes: 7 3.7%

Red Tractor drops launch of green farming scheme amid anger from farmers

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As reported in Independent


quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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