The Red Tractor ACCS referendum

[Richard Budd]

Are Red Tractor starting to listen, and realise the level of discontent, I see that they have now set up a Webinar next Wednesday 24th February 12-1:30pm, hosted by Jim Moseley and Christine Tacon.

 

[spin cycle]

How much to take out a full page in FW? Maybe we should take out our own?

I think I have been told before its about £5,000 for a week. 100 TFF members?

definitely should do this + sign it with our handles....£100 each and go for as many editions as we can raise

 

[Flat 10]

I’m very behind with this thread (some 90 pages....) so forgive me if this was covered anyway I was interested to see that the head of British Sugar was supporting farm assurance in a letter to Farmers Weekly. Does anyone know if British Sugar purchase refined sugar from beet from in the EU and if this gets “commingled” I think the term is with the product that they supply to their end users. ie the same issue as in the grain supply chain. I’m led to believe that this happens but I have no proof and apologies if this is wrong.

 

[Steevo]

I’m very behind with this thread (some 90 pages....) so forgive me if this was covered anyway I was interested to see that the head of British Sugar was supporting farm assurance in a letter to Farmers Weekly. Does anyone know if British Sugar purchase refined sugar from beet from in the EU and if this gets “commingled” I think the term is with the product that they supply to their end users. ie the same issue as in the grain supply chain. I’m led to believe that this happens but I have no proof and apologies if this is wrong.

Great question!

 

[SilliamWhale]

I’m very behind with this thread (some 90 pages....) so forgive me if this was covered anyway I was interested to see that the head of British Sugar was supporting farm assurance in a letter to Farmers Weekly. Does anyone know if British Sugar purchase refined sugar from beet from in the EU and if this gets “commingled” I think the term is with the product that they supply to their end users. ie the same issue as in the grain supply chain. I’m led to believe that this happens but I have no proof and apologies if this is wrong.

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British Sugar appear to import 25% of from beet sugar processors and 25% in Cane. Obviously they won't put this on the Silver Spoon Red Tractor packets so where do they put it?

 

[Robt]

Don’t worry all. All will be solved. A 1.5 hour webinar to answer all your questions and allow you to ask zero questions! ......

 

[Richard Budd]

Don’t worry all. All will be solved. A 1.5 hour webinar to answer all your questions and allow you to ask zero questions! ......View attachment 941406

I see you can submit your questions for consideration - vetting more like!!!! I suppose it is progress that they aren't hiding behind the NFU for once....

 

[Flat 10]

ABF Sugar | World leading sugar business | What We Do

ABF Sugar is a world leading sugar business - We operate across 29 plants in 10 countries and employ around 40,000 people.

www.absugar.com

British Sugar appear to import 25% of from beet sugar processors and 25% in Cane. Obviously they won't put this on the Silver Spoon Red Tractor packets so where do they put it?

I read that but think it’s talking about all U.K. supply not just BS. So I think the cane is supplied by tate and Lyle.

 

[Robt]

I see you can submit your questions for consideration - vetting more like!!!! I suppose it is progress that they aren't hiding behind the NFU for once....

As I mentioned on Twitter, I my parish council team can talk about parking for 2.5 hours then this will be a pointless meeting. I’m guessing they speak for 1.2 hours allowing 10 mins of “pre approved “ questions !

 

[gone up the hill]

Anyone who talks to their NFU rep/ regional office holder etc etc will find that said rep/ worker will agree fully with your views on the RT issue..... they will then forget about your views when submitting their own view to Stoneleigh ( unless you are very pro RT etc ) ..

From reading this thread tonight quite a few of you ( including an gof ) are going to be very disappointed when the NFU top brass aka Minette and Stuart fully endorse the new RT rules ( which they will without doubt )

Only option NFU members have is to pull their NFU membership! the thing is the likes of Minette etc know that people like @An Gof will ALWAYS be a member of the NFU regardless of how far the NFU sell these members down the river on issues like RT....

 

[Richard Budd]

As I mentioned on Twitter, I my parish council team can talk about parking for 2.5 hours then this will be a pointless meeting. I’m guessing they speak for 1.2 hours allowing 10 mins of “pre approved “ questions !

It really is a case of head in the sand.....the longer they leave it to engage properly and constructively the worse it will get! There are many people who are not willing to give up on this now until we have results!

 

[Clive]

Don’t worry all. All will be solved. A 1.5 hour webinar to answer all your questions and allow you to ask zero questions! ......View attachment 941406

TFF offered to host a Teams meeting exactly the same format as the NFU did

totally independent with members free to ask questions

serms free speech is a step to far and they want borh control and to pre vet questions

cop out !!! There is no genuine democracy in uk ag, what a sad state of affairs

its VERY clear what the results of consultation will be

This is the beginning of the end for RT and the NFU - they are so out of touch on this and so misguided to think they can control it

 

[SilliamWhale]

This is the beginning of the end for RT and the NFU - they are sooooo put of touch on this and soooo misguided to think they can control it

I wish you were right that it was beginning of the end for RT. I'm not so sure. The corporates are closing ranks around it at the moment.

 

[jonnieboy]

I wish you were right that it was beginning of the end for RT. I'm not so sure. The corporates are closing ranks around it at the moment.

I think your right
It will be spun as uk consumers need red tractor.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I think your right
It will be spun as uk consumers need red tractor.

I still can't see why there cannot be a legal issue how mills will take grain from abroad as self certified or not certified but will not take from the UK farms

 

[jonnieboy]

I still can't see why there cannot be a legal issue how mills will take grain from abroad as self certified or not certified but will not take from the UK farms

Yes I agree but the AIC reply was very much corporate door closing

 

[Barleymow]

If we all leave en block they would have to do something wouldn't they ?

 

[WOODCHIP]

We should all boycott this webinar to make a point and keep pushing on and bring them down, you won’t gain anything by asking questions with them , it will never change they won’t acknowledge what we want.

 

[Clive]

We should all boycott this webinar to make a point and keep pushing on and bring them down, you won’t gain anything by asking questions with them , it will never change they won’t acknowledge what we want.

i was thinking that might be the best approach

a webinar moderated by RT is utterly pointless

 

[An Gof]

We should all boycott this webinar to make a point and keep pushing on and bring them down, you won’t gain anything by asking questions with them , it will never change they won’t acknowledge what we want.

Won’t be much time for questions after Moseley spouts off.