The squeeze on milk and meat continues...

[jondear]

Locally 300 acres of green farmland destined for solar panels can't see that not happening with this policy .

 

[RobJC]

That is one roadmap to 'net-zero', how else do you get to net zero carbon output without restricting the economy/industry/freedoms we had all become accustomed to until recently?

I don't agree with it. I believe in individual liberty, a declining breed.

But, just think about it, how do ~70 million Britons reach net-zero from now in just 29 years, to 2050? I know this sounds unbelievable, government has to force change, our world for many has already been turned upside down.

I will no doubt be labelled a "conspiracy theorist" in a moment, but this is in plain sight, just search 'WEF Great Reset' or 'WEF Net Zero' or 'Build Back Better', or just look at today's headlines:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/04/20/boris-johnson-poised-raise-bar-uks-climate-goals/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...it-2035-climate-target-could-cost-households/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...lectric-cars-boiler-replacements-new-climate/


Everyone should be talking about life changing net-zero, (well first they should be talking about why we're still locked down,) but instead they're outraged over a new football league.

It is just as the Romans had it "Bread and Circuses".

"According to modern scholarly interpretations, the gladiatorial games were perhaps vehicles of social control and functioned to distract the populus from recognizing their diminished autonomy under imperial rule. "




I'll copy in that whole article:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...lectric-cars-boiler-replacements-new-climate/
Flight prices, electric cars and boiler replacements: what new climate change targets mean for you
Plan to cut UK carbon emissions 78 per cent by 2035 may lead to more expensive plane tickets and households paying for retrofitting



The Government has committed to cutting its greenhouse gas emissions by 78 per cent by 2035, compared to 1990 levels.

This will have widespread implications for how we travel, what we eat, and how we heat our homes. So how will it work?

Flying
The latest targets include international aviation for the first time, which counts for 7 per cent of the UK’s total emissions.

The Government’s advisory body, the Climate Change Committee, has suggested raising the costs of flying with a frequent flyer tax, or higher Air Passenger Duty.

The CCC is also hoping for a reduction in demand in the wake of Covid-19, particularly in business travel. Former business secretary Andrea Leadsom on Tuesday said the pandemic might have changed attitudes to travel among “many of our men who have a nice wife at home” who have “discovered what it is to juggle the kids and Zoom and get dinner on the table".

Home heating
The Government has set a target for all homes to be EPC C by 2035, requiring retrofitting for two-thirds of homes.

Energy Performance Certificates (EPCs) set out the energy efficiency of a property, although experts say they are unreliable.

The CCC also wants all homes on the market to achieve EPC C by 2028, potentially making it difficult to secure a mortgage for those properties that do not meet the target.

Retrofitting costs could average £18,000, according to the Environmental Audit Committee, with older homes more difficult to tackle.

Replacement gas boilers are likely to be banned from the mid-2030s. Heat pumps are the most likely alternative in most homes, but don’t suit blocks of flats and require space for a water tank. Other options might be district heating systems or, in some areas, hydrogen, though the technology at scale is untested and could prove expensive.

Shipping
Shipping will also be included in the UK’s emissions targets for the first time, and currently accounts for around 3 per cent of the total.

Globally, if shipping was a country, it would be the sixth largest in the world in terms of emissions.

There is no straightforward plan to decarbonise shipping, but solutions focus on switching the fuel to a low-carbon alternative, possibly hydrogen.

Diets
In announcing its new targets the Government emphasised that it would maintain “people’s freedom of choice, including on their diet” when it comes to policies to meet them.

That appears to put it at odds with its advisers, who have said there will need to be a 35 per cent reduction in meat and dairy consumption by 2050, to reduce methane emissions. That will also free up some land to meet the CCC's target of planting 50,000 hectares of trees a year between 2035 and 2050.

But officials might be relying on natural shifts in diet, including rapidly growing demand for plant-based versions, and the potential for lab grown meats in coming years.

Cars
The electric car revolution is well under way, with the Government banning the sale of new petrol and diesel cars by 2030. The CCC wants 43 per cent of all cars on the road to be electric by 2030.

Among the challenges to getting everyone to go electric will be ensuring there are sufficient and accessible charging points, and making sure the National Grid is equipped to deal with a higher level of demand.

Those without off-street parking also face significantly higher costs for charging at public charging points.

The upfront costs of electric cars remain prohibitive for many, although overall running costs often work out lower and the CCC expects them to reach cost parity by 2030.

 

[ISCO]

The point being that Big Macs as we know them, will no longer be available. The supply of meat will be severely curtailed. They will switch there offering to some lab produced rubber...

This is the worry. McDonald's and the supermarkets will not hesitate to drop meat if a viable alternative is available, particularly if there is greater margin in it for them.

 

[Cowabunga]

Is their anything left for livestock to give ? Won’t be very big tax and boom all gone .

It will probably be a consumer tax, as with cigarettes, which will make meat more expensive and reduce demand. A packet of 20 cigarettes now costs £13. It is not banned but its advertising is and it has been made socially unacceptable.

Makes a great template for reducing meat and milk consumption.

 

[betweenthelines]

Ahem

Eat Just and Foodpanda Partner on World’s First Home Delivery of Cultured Meat

For the first time in history, consumers in Singapore will be able to get cultured meat delivered to their doorstep thanks to Eat Just and foodpanda.

www.businesswire.com

So that's factory grown food delivered in portion sizes in order to reduce Carbon output? How the f uck does that make any sense?

 

[Cowabunga]

Just seen it on the lunchtime news.I just dont get the meat and dairy bit

They should be encouraging grass fed livestock and why encourage tree planting,every research ive read suggests grass is best for carbon absorption and not deciduous trees ?

I just don't get it.

The reason you 'don't get it' is because 'they' don't either. Maybe that can change. Not by being defensive though, because that never works. The best form of defence is attack. But who has the balls to do it and who will support it? Farmers? They don't have a good track record of pulling together in any way.

 

[betweenthelines]

They didn’t ignore the smoking
Hardly anyone smokes these days compared to years ago

It's taken 50 years, massive price rises, graphic pictures on packaging and a ban on doing it in a public place to reduce the use of something that is demonstrably proven to kill people.

You think advising people to eat a bit less of something that isn't much of a risk, if any, to your health, is going to have any effect?

 

[Cowabunga]

So that's factory grown food delivered in portion sizes in order to reduce Carbon output? How the f uck does that make any sense?

It needn't make any sense in the grand scheme but to the individual consumer it might make perfect sense if the product is marketed effectively using all the right words such as 'organic' 'sustainable' 'environment' 'healthy' 'low carbon production' and so on. Plus the packaging needs to look good.

 

[Cowabunga]

It's taken 50 years, massive price rises, graphic pictures on packaging and a ban on doing it in a public place to reduce the use of something that is demonstrably proven to kill people.

You think advising people to eat a bit less of something that isn't much of a risk, if any, to your health, is going to have any effect?

It has taken less than twenty years after getting serious about it. Which is the timescale I reckon it will take to almost totally destroy British lowland and marginal land grassland farming through pressure to reduce ruminant animal numbers drastically. Make no mistake about it, the momentum is growing very quickly.

Two years ago and the year before, when I warned in a similar fashion of this agenda or trend, especially among the younger generation who are growing into the next mature movers and shakers, it was almost universally ridiculed on this forum. Now it looks like about 75% of respondents have come around to see the reality of the future trend and that it is being pushed by various groups and has become part of the UK's future policy objectives.

 

[ISCO]

It has taken less than twenty years after getting serious about it. Which is the timescale I reckon it will take to almost totally destroy British lowland and marginal land grassland farming through pressure to reduce ruminant animal numbers drastically. Make no mistake about it, the momentum is growing very quickly.

Two years ago and the year before, when I warned in a similar fashion of this agenda or trend, especially among the younger generation who are growing into the next mature movers and shakers, it was almost universally ridiculed on this forum. Now it looks like about 75% of respondents have come around to see the reality of the future trend and that it is being pushed by various groups and has become part of the UK's future policy objectives.

You were not ridiculed by me as I have always largely agreed with you.
I do think we still have a chance to argue our side of things and that there will be a future for pasture reared livestock. Regen ag, soya and grain free traditional breeds. Less consumption of higher value meat. Seasonal production
The public will not want the whole countryside covered in trees and scrub.

 

[betweenthelines]

In the 1960's the "bomb" was going to wipe out humanity, in the 70's the oil would run out within 20 years, in the 80's the social unrest of mass unemployment would lead to a civil war, in the 90's it was the "gay plague"

At least that's what the media was telling everyone. While in reality people just carried on, generally doing what they wanted.

We still have bombs that could destroy humankind several times over, people still drive "oil" powered cars, the unemployed haven't rioted and you're more likely to get arrested for talking about gay people than for being one.

All I'm saying is that the vast majority of people don't react to sensationalist hype-people are no more likely to stop eating sausages than they are to give up driving to Tesco when there's an acceptable bus service.

 

[thewalrus]

I thought this thread was going to be about greggs adding more vegan options to menu

 

[farmerm]

I profoundly disagree. The younger generations of educated people are very very concerned with climate change, the environment, animal welfare if not ‘rights’ and all the highfolluted rubbish and wokiness that rides along with it. That’s even before the serious anti meat and milk propaganda war gets really serious and unrelenting. Which it will.

Ah yes the younger generation care deeply about the environment..

I profoundly disagree. The younger generations of educated people are very very concerned with climate change, the environment, animal welfare if not ‘rights’ and all the highfolluted rubbish and wokiness that rides along with it. That’s even before the serious anti meat and milk propaganda war gets really serious and unrelenting. Which it will.

You mean the younger generations that do this great job on the environment?

 

[Henarar]

The worst thing about this is that if climate change is going to be as bad as some say then time and energy spent getting rid of a few cattle and sheep in this country instead of tackling the real problems will not make a bit of difference, this is one problem we can't export

 

[Northeastfarmer]

I profoundly disagree. The younger generations of educated people are very very concerned with climate change, the environment, animal welfare if not ‘rights’ and all the highfolluted rubbish and wokiness that rides along with it. That’s even before the serious anti meat and milk propaganda war gets really serious and unrelenting. Which it will.

Yea they are really concerned about the environment...that’s why every day they launch all their crap out their car windows

 

[Hilly]

Being the starvation on ! It’s coming quicker than I thought .

It will probably be a consumer tax, as with cigarettes, which will make meat more expensive and reduce demand. A packet of 20 cigarettes now costs £13. It is not banned but its advertising is and it has been made socially unacceptable.

Makes a great template for reducing meat and milk consumption.

Dose not matter to me I am quite adaptable, I will just let the grass grow and make a living doing something else , after 30 plus years I’m half tempted for a change anyway.

 

[Henarar]

Being the starvation on ! It’s coming quicker than I thought .

Dose not matter to me I am quite adaptable, I will just let the grass grow and make a living doing something else , after 30 plus years I’m half tempted for a change anyway.

you were all for building a big new slatted cubical shed tuther day, what you going to do with that turn it in to a brothel ?

 

[Cowabunga]

Ah yes the younger generation care deeply about the environment..

You mean the younger generations that do this great job on the environment?

Not quite the same ones, but yes, a whole lot of them are rather hypocritical by the looks of it. 'Twas ever thus. There's the majority of thoughtful people and there's an underclass of moronic degenerates. You can easily tell that just by reading the comments sections on any internet outlet you like. I've explained The Pareto Principle many times before but in this context 80% of the mess comes from 20% of the people. [80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes]

 

[Hilly]

you were all for building a big new slatted cubical shed tuther day, what you going to do with that turn it in to a brothel ?

Still on the cards to be honest, but if i do build it i don’t have to use it for ever I could store plastic steaks in it .

 

[Ashtree]

Yes but I can see a tax coming . livestock is going to take the brunt while other larger industry gets away with it . While massive corporations who have a vested interests in meat alternatives will take up the share guilt tripping the public on making a better world for their kids!

Every self respecting kitchen will have a 3-D printer, manufacturing rubber whatever your are having yourself.....