The war in Ukraine...

[czechmate]

I put this photo up on the thread of this most unwarlike young Russian conscript on his way to the Ukraine about a fortnight ago. Sadly he was killed in action after just 4 days in the Ukraine. But his parents get a fuking medal.

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What a waste

 

[czechmate]

As Max Bygraves used to say “I wanna tell you a story” that I heard the other night which goes something like this.

In the story very senior people in the USA with the real power & I don’t mean Biden were very rattled & panicky at a proposed Russian Chinese alliance that was seriously in the offing to be signed, with Chinese eyes on Taiwan & Russia’s on Ukraine the US defence department made the decision that for the sake of world order this could not be allowed to happen, one of the two countries had to be depleted considerably militarily to stop this & obviously it could not be China, so a brilliant plan was concocted.

It was well known by all that Putin was alarmed that Ukraine might join NATO so someone tips off the Russians that with just the right amount of pressure the Ukraine leadership would now be prepared to back down & agree to stay out of NATO & compromise on other things.
As Russia took the bait & moved troops & armour to the border the USA & UK packed sophisticated weapons into Ukraine (with more eyes in the sky than stars) in preparation.
For the plan to work Putin needed to invade but he hesitated & continued to hesitate when the Ukraine leadership kept saying that Ukraine would not back down, so unusually the US defence department in desperation had to keep giving out normally top secret warnings to the world that an invasion was imminent, when Putin couldn’t sit on his hands any more without looking desperately weak he finally invaded, you could say the trap was then sprung, every Russian tank was tagged by the eyes in the sky & all that information was fed to the defending army & as reported today not only Ukrainian troops, the defence of Ukraine was then effectively being manipulated by the Americans.

Whether any in the Ukrainian leadership knew that their country was considered acceptable collateral damage by the Americans is debatable, the clever thinking was that after considerable damage had been done to Russia’s militarily hardware Ukraine would give in & a sort of peace would be agreed, unfortunately the plan did not anticipate both Ukrainian stubbornness, Zelensky's world tour by video & the world’s reaction piling Ukraine with many weapons from other countries & holding out for so long.

In this wild story the US & UK had pushed Putin very much further than was originally planned & were becoming very worried & unsure just how this would all end.

Thank goodness it's only a far fetched stupid story & obviously couldn't possibly be true!

strange
In the story I heard it was little green men from Mars

 

[BrianV]

strange
In the story I heard it was little green men from Mars

Would tend to agree but conveniently Nord Stream 2 hadn’t yet opened & agreement not signed, still as you say men from mars!

 

[Hindsight]

As Max Bygraves used to say “I wanna tell you a story” that I heard the other night which goes something like this.

In the story very senior people in the USA with the real power & I don’t mean Biden were very rattled & panicky at a proposed Russian Chinese alliance that was seriously in the offing to be signed, with Chinese eyes on Taiwan & Russia’s on Ukraine the US defence department made the decision that for the sake of world order this could not be allowed to happen, one of the two countries had to be depleted considerably militarily to stop this & obviously it could not be China, so a brilliant plan was concocted.

It was well known by all that Putin was alarmed that Ukraine might join NATO so someone tips off the Russians that with just the right amount of pressure the Ukraine leadership would now be prepared to back down & agree to stay out of NATO & compromise on other things.
As Russia took the bait & moved troops & armour to the border the USA & UK packed sophisticated weapons into Ukraine (with more eyes in the sky than stars) in preparation.
For the plan to work Putin needed to invade but he hesitated & continued to hesitate when the Ukraine leadership kept saying that Ukraine would not back down, so unusually the US defence department in desperation had to keep giving out normally top secret warnings to the world that an invasion was imminent, when Putin couldn’t sit on his hands any more without looking desperately weak he finally invaded, you could say the trap was then sprung, every Russian tank was tagged by the eyes in the sky & all that information was fed to the defending army & as reported today not only Ukrainian troops, the defence of Ukraine was then effectively being manipulated by the Americans.

Whether any in the Ukrainian leadership knew that their country was considered acceptable collateral damage by the Americans is debatable, the clever thinking was that after considerable damage had been done to Russia’s militarily hardware Ukraine would give in & a sort of peace would be agreed, unfortunately the plan did not anticipate both Ukrainian stubbornness, Zelensky's world tour by video & the world’s reaction piling Ukraine with many weapons from other countries & holding out for so long.

In this wild story the US & UK had pushed Putin very much further than was originally planned & were becoming very worried & unsure just how this would all end.

Thank goodness it's only a far fetched stupid story & obviously couldn't possibly be true!

As you say Brian, make believe.

 

[Hindsight]

What a waste

Never bothered the Tsars before, of any country.

 

[BrianV]

As you say Brian, make believe.

Quite right, in the distant future look out for Ukrainian mistresses to be mentioned, bit like men from mars

 

[Muck Spreader]

Two rich Russians and their families connected to Putin found dead in 2 days. Former top manager at the 2nd-largest Russian gas company Novatek. S. Protosenya + family murdered in Spain (stab wounds). Vice-President of Gazprombank Vladislav Avaev + family murdered in Moscow (gun shots)..

More details on 6 prominent Russians who have been murdered or committed suicide since the start of the invasion.

Every Russian Official Who Has Died Since Putin Invaded Ukraine—Full List

A number of Russian officials have died since the beginning of the year in what police believe to have been suicides.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Muck Spreader]

Brave woman. I have to wonder if Putin and his Nazi chums deliberately chose the "Z" symbol, as it was also the divisional symbol of the 4th SS panzer grenadier division., well known for atrocities against civilians.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517846955497512965

 

[Hindsight]

Brave woman. I have to wonder if Putin and his Nazi chums deliberately chose the "Z" symbol, as it was also the divisional symbol of the 4th SS panzer grenadier division., well known for atrocities against civilians.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517846955497512965

If the courts said that then there is no hope. The whole Russian system is bananas.

 

[farmerm]

Ploughing on regardless.....

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Vitaly’s farm is very close to Russia’s new eastern front. But he ploughs on. Workers in helmets and flak jackets go out to tend to the crops. A missile...

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[Danllan]

Ploughing on regardless.....

Vitaly’s farm is very close to Russia’s new eastern front. But he ploughs on. Workers in helmets and flak jackets go out to tend to the crops. A missile... | By James Longman ABCFacebook

Vitaly’s farm is very close to Russia’s new eastern front. But he ploughs on. Workers in helmets and flak jackets go out to tend to the crops. A missile...

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Makes you wonder, but I guess there is little alternative - crazy situation...

 

[Devil's advocate]

Any dead officers or war factories on fire?

 

[hoff135]

Any dead officers or war factories on fire?

Think ukraine claimed it killed 2 generals earlier

 

[BrianV]

Russia says British SAS 'sabotage specialists' in Ukraine​

PA MediaCopyright: PA Media
Russian state media claims that "sabotage specialists" from the UK are helping the Ukrainian military in the western Lviv region.
According to the Ria Novosti news agency, at least two groups - or about 20 people in total - from the SAS have been deployed.
"These are no ordinary special forces," a Russian intelligence source is quoted as telling Novosti.
The source added that the SAS personnel are likely "co-ordinating the activities of sabotage groups" in Russian-controlled territory.
Founded during World War Two, the Special Air Service is known for covert missions, including hostage recovery, reconnaissance and counter-terrorism.

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Russia now finally starting to catch on, Bozo's been playing a very dangerous game, let's hope we don't all live to regret it!

 

[hoff135]

"No ordinary special forces", glad they recognise that. One John McAleese(rip) is equivalent to 500 russian conscrips.

Pretty sure the sas and navy seals from America will have been in from the start.

 

[Devil's advocate]

The brain trust meeting got a little disrupted.

In other news, the 113(?) year old ship that was launched before the soviet union even existed sent to the moskva wreck site has a submersible that itself had to be rescued in 2008. Could you even make russia up?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1517785784954281990

Why is the attack on the control centre not reported by BBC?

That is a really BIG story, I pray it is true.

If it is true bad day for missiles tomorrow, but a real blow to Russia's invasion.

 

[will l]

Why is the attack on the control centre not reported by BBC?

That is a really BIG story, I pray it is true.

If it is true bad day for missiles tomorrow, but a real blow to Russia's invasion.

Generals and all military commanders need secure routes of effective communication, quite simply the Russians dont have them, so they move the commanders closer to the frontline and happily for the world, they die.

 

[BrianV]

"No ordinary special forces", glad they recognise that. One John McAleese(rip) is equivalent to 500 russian conscrips.

Pretty sure the sas and navy seals from America will have been in from the start.

There are a few Chechens that can't now confirm that.

 

[czechmate]

There are a few Chechens that can't now confirm that.

There wouldn’t be a problem for them... if they didn’t go marching into Ukraine, armed

 

[BrianV]

There wouldn’t be a problem for them... if they didn’t go marching into Ukraine, armed

There's a few that don't have that problem any more,