The war in Ukraine...

Danllan

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I do hope that's right but I hope it's not just wishful thinking.

I thought he seemed ok but I know nothing of medical conditions and can't say I've ever studied him.

One question I'd like to ask you as your ex military.

How badly affected will the Russian army be for the loss of all these senior officers ?

I believe they don't have the non commissioned officers like we have and it's more senior officers and men.

Your thoughts, also a comparison to the British army would be most interesting.
Information was a very valuable and dangerous thing in the USSR and that mentality has continued into the Russian army too. They do have NCOs, but the huge difference is the amount of trust placed on them and responsibility given to them.

If I have a Section Commander - a Corporal - and I want him to do a recce to location X, I'll tell him that, give him the int' available / necessary and leave the rest up to him. In the Russian army that sort of thing would have to be lead by a junior Officer, because nobody else would be trusted with the int' to do it, or have the necessary training to organise and command it.

Add in the facts that my Section Commander will have a Lance Corporal under him leading a fire team and that this Lance Jack will be able to take over command if needed, and you see how much flexibility and redundancy we have and they don't.

And that ability for an assumption of command goes on to the top for us. A flippant reply to your q about Generals could be that it depends on how many good ones they have left, and in the Russian army that would be true to an extent. But, really, to have an effective army you need teamwork, and good teamwork requires trust - and trust really only comes form seeing people doing something well. Point is, a 'new' Russian CO could be really good, but if nobody has experience of how good he is, they simply aren't going to have that trust.

I covered the comparisons, man for man rating - official that is - in an earlier post, but on the performance we've seen so far you are looking at about 3:1 in our favour. Plus we have significantly better kit, at least a generation, often two generations or more better than them. And infinitely better morale - and morals. :angelic:
 

czechmate

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Information was a very valuable and dangerous thing in the USSR and that mentality has continued into the Russian army too. They do have NCOs, but the huge difference is the amount of trust placed on them and responsibility given to them.

If I have a Section Commander - a Corporal - and I want him to do a recce to location X, I'll tell him that, give him the int' available / necessary and leave the rest up to him. In the Russian army that sort of thing would have to be lead by a junior Officer, because nobody else would be trusted with the int' to do it, or have the necessary training to organise and command it.

Add in the facts that my Section Commander will have a Lance Corporal under him leading a fire team and that this Lance Jack will be able to take over command if needed, and you see how much flexibility and redundancy we have and they don't.

And that ability for an assumption of command goes on to the top for us. A flippant reply to your q about Generals could be that it depends on how many good ones they have left, and in the Russian army that would be true to an extent. But, really, to have an effective army you need teamwork, and good teamwork requires trust - and trust really only comes form seeing people doing something well. Point is, a 'new' Russian CO could be really good, but if nobody has experience of how good he is, they simply aren't going to have that trust.

I covered the comparisons, man for man rating - official that is - in an earlier post, but on the performance we've seen so far you are looking at about 3:1 in our favour. Plus we have significantly better kit, at least a generation, often two generations or more better than them. And infinitely better morale - and morals. :angelic:

you seem to have a problem with your gramma...
Surely, to have “better morals”, they would actually have to have some ?🤔
 

JP1

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JP1

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If that's a true story, it is a superb example of the Ukrainian national spirit and cohesiveness. But... the thing that makes me question it, is that signs in the windows or posts on social media would have made more sense and got people to the vehicles more quickly. Good propaganda either way though.
Agreed on the IF. I did think about posting it but probably does reflect the current Ukrainian spirit

As you say one of the first casualties of war is the truth
 

Danllan

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Need decoy tractors for them too waste missiles on, or just massey's 🤣 🤣 🤣
Word of mouth has it that Ukraine is now using decoy vehicles, tanks etc. - like we did tanks in WW2 - and the Russians are wasting munitions and risking air attacks to hit them...

The reality now being seen by the UK military, is that if Ukraine determines to regain its lost territory - which with a lot of effort we think it eventually could - this war could continue for another couple of years, and then some. Of course the assumes that Zelensky isn't taken out and the Putin persists in power.

If this transpires, we are going to see the return of a lot of the deception techniques used in WW2, simply because they are cheap and easy to reproduce by modern standards, so you really can expect to see fake tractors. :)
 
Word of mouth has it that Ukraine is now using decoy vehicles, tanks etc. - like we did tanks in WW2 - and the Russians are wasting munitions and risking air attacks to hit them...

The reality now being seen by the UK military, is that if Ukraine determines to regain its lost territory - which with a lot of effort we think it eventually could - this war could continue for another couple of years, and then some. Of course the assumes that Zelensky isn't taken out and the Putin persists in power.

If this transpires, we are going to see the return of a lot of the deception techniques used in WW2, simply because they are cheap and easy to reproduce by modern standards, so you really can expect to see fake tractors. :)

Ukraine intelligence is saying a collapse of russian military could happen by this August. Other commentators have suggested mid June.
 

BrianV

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Aren’t they effectively saying that as long as Russia are in Crimea Ukraine will not be able to join NATO or the EU?

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World's most powerful nations 'will never recognise' Ukraine border change​

G7 foreign ministers stand next to a G7 logo in a grass field

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G7 foreign ministers have held several days of talks in GermanyImage caption: G7 foreign ministers have held several days of talks in Germany
Some of the world's most powerful industrialised nations - the Group of Seven - have declared they will never recognise new borders as a result of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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czechmate

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Aren’t they effectively saying that as long as Russia are in Crimea Ukraine will not be able to join NATO or the EU?

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World's most powerful nations 'will never recognise' Ukraine border change​

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well, obviously the fecking Russians need kicking out of Crimea👍
 

David1968

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We are led to believe they are all scary bogeymen intent on ruling Europe which as we have seen with one small army stopping them in their tracks was always pretty much bullsh!t whatever Putin might pretend to the world.
A small army being resupplied at scale. If it wasn't for that, there's a good chance the Russian army would be lined up along the Polish border by now. With fewer losses, higher morale, and Putin thinking they're invincible.

Poland would be sh!tting itself, NATO would be pouring even more forces in, and we'd be a sight nearer WW3 than we are now. It wouldn't take an invasion to start it. Just some idiot on either side with an itchy trigger finger.
 

will l

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Aren’t they effectively saying that as long as Russia are in Crimea Ukraine will not be able to join NATO or the EU?

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World's most powerful nations 'will never recognise' Ukraine border change​

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G7 foreign ministers have held several days of talks in GermanyImage caption: G7 foreign ministers have held several days of talks in Germany
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It will be alright after Little Russia surrender and pay for the repairs, compensation and all the munitions that it took to make them see sense.
 

BrianV

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well, obviously the fecking Russians need kicking out of Crimea👍
It would seem inconceivable that no mater how badly it goes for the Russians in Eastern Ukraine that they will ever allow themselves to be pushed out of the Russian speaking Crimea, might not this declaration by the G7 be a discreet subliminal message to both Russia & Ukraine that Ukraine will never be allowed to join NATO or the EU & that a negotiated settlement is the only way out of this mess for both parties!
 

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