The war in Ukraine...

German

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Get with the new world order fella.
Ireland is a big empty part of the British Isles and is ripe to be populated with the overspill of those on the march from Asia and Africa.
Huh this is something you would expect from a brit regarding ireland.
Wouldnt be so empty if you didnt starve them all to death
 

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Treg

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The irish in Britian are the descendants of people that where starving and went to work as cheap slave labour in british factories.
The English in Ireland (northern ireland) are the descendats of the upper class land and factory owners. The slavemasters
Ah you've got your history wrong.
Not that I know exactly but wasn't it Scottish that were either being sent there to work or probably from some famine at home.
Being a Cornishman I know what your saying @German the Cornish were ethnic cleansed by the English many hundreds of years ago & our language removed BUT although there is work to be done in respecting our culture, language & history it does not equate to the same as what's happening in Ukraine, surely the world has moved on from hundreds of years ago & we should be more civilised.
 

German

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Ah you've got your history wrong.
Not that I know exactly but wasn't it Scottish that were either being sent there to work or probably from some famine at home.
Being a Cornishman I know what your saying @German the Cornish were ethnic cleansed by the English many hundreds of years ago & our language removed BUT although there is work to be done in respecting our culture, language & history it does not equate to the same as what's happening in Ukraine, surely the world has moved on from hundreds of years ago & we should be more civilised.
Yeah that famine could have been prevented if Britian didnt try to kill all of the irish during the famine.It was political just like the holodomor.
You have been assimilated by the english just like those Ukrainians in the Donbass have been assimilated as Russians.
Sure the World should move on, kick the british colonisers out of ireland and then we can talk.
 

Henarar

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Ah you've got your history wrong.
Not that I know exactly but wasn't it Scottish that were either being sent there to work or probably from some famine at home.
Being a Cornishman I know what your saying @German the Cornish were ethnic cleansed by the English many hundreds of years ago & our language removed BUT although there is work to be done in respecting our culture, language & history it does not equate to the same as what's happening in Ukraine, surely the world has moved on from hundreds of years ago & we should be more civilised.
Since apparently humans evolved in east Africa perhaps that is the only place any of us should really call home ?
That to one side how was a place laid clame to ? First one there? If so did you have to walk over every little bit or was it the amount you could circle in a day ? There was a story about that, did anyone nick it off the first one there and claim that they were first ? What if the first one there left did that mean someone else could claim it or should the original claim stand?
Gets complicated when you think about it all.
Who's was it when it was under ice ?
 
Yes
Irish nationalists should be armed and shouldnt be forced to concede on bit of their rightfull land

Since apparently humans evolved in east Africa perhaps that is the only place any of us should really call home ?
That to one side how was a place laid clame to ? First one there? If so did you have to walk over every little bit or was it the amount you could circle in a day ? There was a story about that, did anyone nick it off the first one there and claim that they were first ? What if the first one there left did that mean someone else could claim it or should the original claim stand?
Gets complicated when you think about it all.
Who's was it when it was under ice ?
Many people left the British Isles and Europe due to persecution and famine, but then settled happily in other countries such as the US where they became fiercely patriotic and, one could say, the very same people became part of the oppression since they built the railways across the native lands, formed the backbone of police forces and suppressed the native people in the US Cavalry without apparently seeing any irony in what they were doing. My grandad was one of them and was just a normal bloke making a living, he didn't see himself as anyone's victim or an oppressor. Should we then arm the native American people to rise up against the occupiers? How far back do we go?
 

Henarar

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Many people left the British Isles and Europe due to persecution and famine, but then settled happily in other countries such as the US where they became fiercely patriotic and, one could say, the very same people became part of the oppression since they built the railways across the native lands, formed the backbone of police forces and suppressed the native people in the US Cavalry without apparently seeing any irony in what they were doing. My grandad was one of them and was just a normal bloke making a living, he didn't see himself as anyone's victim or an oppressor. Should we then arm the native American people to rise up against the occupiers? How far back do we go?
lots of folk have their point in history when the land was in the hands of those that fit their agenda
 

Treg

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Since apparently humans evolved in east Africa perhaps that is the only place any of us should really call home ?
That to one side how was a place laid clame to ? First one there? If so did you have to walk over every little bit or was it the amount you could circle in a day ?
Thank you @Henarar a old story written in Cornish of St Feock ( I think ) goes something like St Feock ask the king for as much land as he could walk while the King had his bath , clever St Feock put nice smellies in the water which made the King fall asleep so St Feock had time to walk a large area ( now the parish of St Feock ) (y)
 

Treg

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Yeah that famine could have been prevented if Britian didnt try to kill all of the irish during the famine.It was political just like the holodomor.
You have been assimilated by the english just like those Ukrainians in the Donbass have been assimilated as Russians.
Sure the World should move on, kick the british colonisers out of ireland and then we can talk.
You really don't get it do you.
Go and look at the tapestry of the battle of Hastings, come back on here and tell me what flags you see , Our history is very complicated .
Like @Henarar says we all come from Africa in the first place , how far back should we go?
Irish are Celts but with Spanish origins.
Cornish are Celts but with Eastern European Origins , so none of us are original populations .
Should Spain claim Ireland or should the Irish claim Spain, it's all very complicated.
 

BrianV

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Just to get back on track with this current war, this is what the Americans found out about 10 months ago & the reason they decided that if there was any way they could stop it happening they must act before the agreement was finally signed.
With the seemingly unstoppable green movement in Europe & the new Nord Stream 2 pipeline about to open it was obvious to the Americans that Europe would soon be virtually totally reliant on Russia for it's gas energy.
This would very soon make many EU countries unable to support the US in any conflict involving Russia or China, so as told to me the US decided to target Russia with a plan!


By Robin Wright
February 7, 2022

Chinese President Xi Jinping standing next to Russian President Vladimir Putin on a red carpet with Chinese and Russian...


Russia and China Unveil a Pact Against America and the West​

In a sweeping long-term agreement, Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping, the two most powerful autocrats, challenge the current political and military order.
Russia and China Unveil a Pact Against America and the West | The New Yorker.webarchive

In their matching mauve ties, Russia’s Vladimir Putin and China’s Xi Jinping last week declared a “new era” in the global order and, at least in the short term, endorsed their respective territorial ambitions in Ukraine and Taiwan. The world’s two most powerful autocrats unveiled a sweeping long-term agreement that also challenges the United States as a global power, nato as a cornerstone of international security, and liberal democracy as a model for the world. “Friendship between the two States has no limits,” they vowed in the communiqué, released after the two leaders met on the eve of the Beijing Winter Olympics. “There are no ‘forbidden’ areas of cooperation.”
Agreements between Moscow and Beijing, including the Treaty of Friendship of 2001, have traditionally been laden with lofty, if vague, rhetoric that faded into forgotten history. But the new and detailed five-thousand-word agreement is more than a collection of the usual tropes, Robert Daly, the director of the Kissinger Institute on China and the United States, at the Wilson Center, in Washington, told me. Although it falls short of a formal alliance, like nato, the agreement reflects a more elaborate show of solidarity than anytime in the past. “This is a pledge to stand shoulder to shoulder against America and the West, ideologically as well as militarily,” Daly said. “This statement might be looked back on as the beginning of Cold War Two.” The timing and clarity of the communiqué—amid tensions on Russia’s border with Europe and China’s aggression around Taiwan—will “give historians the kind of specific event that they often focus on.”

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Beyond security, the declaration also pledged collaboration on space, climate change, the Internet, and artificial intelligence. Politically, the document claimed that there is “no one-size-fits-all” type of democracy, and heralded both forms of authoritarian rule in Moscow and Beijing as successful democracies. “It’s a pretty striking step closer to an alliance and shows that they’re very much aligned in their vision of the world order in the twenty-first century,” Alexander Vershbow, a former U.S. Ambassador to Russia, told me. Putin described the broader strategic partnership with China as “unprecedented.” Xi said that their joint strategy would have a “far-reaching influence on China, Russia, and the world.”
U.S. experts described the lengthy statement, which was riddled with false and accusatory language, as startling. “I’ve never seen a joint statement from both leaders using this kind of language. They’ve joined forces,” Angela Stent, a Russia expert who served at the National Intelligence Council and wrote “Putin’s World: Russia Against the West and with the Rest,” told me. She described the communiqué as “quite Orwellian” and called it an “inflection point” in which Russia and China are challenging the balance of power that has defined the global order since the Cold War ended, three decades ago. “We could be at the beginning of a new era as the Russian relationship with the West deteriorates and China’s does as well.” The agreement puts Washington and its key allies “in a terrible bind,” she added. “The fact is, whatever we do to counter what Russia is doing only reinforces its reliance on China.”
The joint statement is, at least for the moment, a diplomatic boon for Putin amid his showdown with the United States and Europe over Ukraine. For the first time in any of Russia’s recent aggressions, Putin has won the open support of China’s leader. China did not back Russia’s war in Georgia in 2008, or its invasion of Ukraine in 2014, nor has it recognized Russia’s annexation of Crimea. Now Moscow and Beijing, which both have the ability to veto any resolution at the United Nations, have declared their opposition to further enlargement of nato and to the formation of other regional security alliances. “Russia and China stand against attempts by external forces to undermine security and stability in their common adjacent regions, intend to counter interference by outside forces in the internal affairs of sovereign countries under any pretext, oppose colour revolutions, and will increase cooperation,” the often unwieldy statement declared. “This is where they pledge their troth,” Daly said.

Washington had been pressuring Beijing, including in a call last month between Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, in an attempt to keep China neutral or out of the Ukraine crisis. Now, at least on paper and in public voice, it has budged, Andrew Weiss, a former National Security Council official who is currently at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told me. “Russia now has China as an endorser of the egregious and inflammatory position that Putin has staked out on Ukraine.”

Hints of China’s shift have been emerging in the past two weeks, as the Ukraine crisis began spilling over onto already tense U.S.-China relations. President Biden’s foreign policy had hoped to steer relations with Beijing toward stable and manageable competition. Instead, China, which is normally discreet in its diplomacy, is visibly pushing back. After his conversation with Blinken last month, the Chinese foreign minister said publicly that Russia’s security concern about nato expansion is legitimate and must be addressed. The Biden Administration countered last week with an admonition. The State Department warned that the West has “an array of tools” to deploy against foreign companies—including in China—that help Russia evade punitive sanctions.
In the new agreement, Russia, in turn, reaffirmed its support for Beijing’s One China policy that Taiwan is “an inalienable part of China, and opposes any forms of independence.” The joint communiqué also supported Beijing’s ruthless crackdown on dissidents in Hong Kong in the past two years. The bold assertions in the joint statement follow deepening military tiesbetween the two nations in the past decade, Weiss noted. Russia and China have conducted dozens of joint exercises and war games that have involved as many as ten thousand troops to hone tactical and operational capabilities. Russian officials have boasted that the growing defense partnership was designed to warn the United States and nato not to pressure Moscow. The naval operations have included mock seizures of islands, patrols by long-range bombers over the Sea of Japan and the East China Sea, and surface-to-air missile targeting. Last summer, Putin and Xi both witnessed military exercises in China. In October, they held joint naval exercises off Russia’s far-eastern coast. “The frequency, complexity, and geographic scope has steadily increased, reflecting the growth in the overall bilateral defense relationship,” the U.S. Naval Institute reported last year. As two nuclear-armed countries that span Europe and Asia, the more muscular alignment between Russia and China could be a game changer militarily and diplomatically. “They want this to be as threatening as a formal alliance to the West, but don’t want to formally commit to mutual defense,” Daly said. “They don’t have to. The spectre of their mutual aid will serve as a deterrent.”
The joint announcement reflects a shift in the balance of power between Russia and China as well. “The Russians for the longest time were condescending in their view of China as an uninteresting rural society,” Weiss said. “Now China looks at Russia and says, ‘What are you good for?’ China’s ambitions do not run through Moscow.” China has become “canny” in exploiting Russia’s neediness, he said. “It uses Russia as a cat’s paw to disrupt the U.S. pivot to Asia. The fact that we have to keep coming back to Putin, as the neighborhood bully, is beneficial to China.”

Putin was the highest-profile leader to show up for the opening of the Winter Olympics in Beijing. The U.S. and other major powers opted not to send high-profile delegations, to protest China’s human-rights abuses, particularly against its Uyghur minority. Russia had received a two-year ban from officially sending teams to the Olympics after conducting a years-long, state-sponsored doping scheme. Russian athletes—who are not supposed to carry their nation’s flag, wear the Russian insignia, or play the national anthem—instead compete as part of the Russian Olympic Committee. After his meeting with Xi, Putin applauded the team during the opening ceremony’s Parade of Nations on Friday. But his visit clearly had another purpose.
The question now is how far Russia and China will take their agreement. “Words are one thing,” Vershbow, the former Ambassador, said. “We still have to see if the statement will translate into greater tangible Chinese support for Russia’s aggressive behavior—or whether they’ll say, ‘We’re with you, good luck,’ and then turn the other way.” The Chinese have different and sometimes more pragmatic interests in their relations with the U.S. and Europe, which are vital to their economy. “They don’t want to burn all bridges for the sake of a relationship with Russia.”
 
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After Decades of forcefully subjugating the irish, destroying their language and culture you are claiming that these Votes are fair and free?
Of course the british 5th collumn inside ireland will manipulate the narrative as ususal.
There can be no free and fair vote if Johnsons little green men are standing right next to the ballots.

These lands are forcefully annexed by "great" Britian

Britian set the example and Putin willfully followed in its footsteps in Crimea and the Donbass.
Russia has not been kind to the Tarters has it?
 

arcobob

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Yeah that famine could have been prevented if Britian didnt try to kill all of the irish during the famine.It was political just like the holodomor.
You have been assimilated by the english just like those Ukrainians in the Donbass have been assimilated as Russians.
Sure the World should move on, kick the british colonisers out of ireland and then we can talk.
Can you explain what exactly caused the famine?
 

Henarar

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Thank you @Henarar a old story written in Cornish of St Feock ( I think ) goes something like St Feock ask the king for as much land as he could walk while the King had his bath , clever St Feock put nice smellies in the water which made the King fall asleep so St Feock had time to walk a large area ( now the parish of St Feock ) (y)
I was thinking of a similar story but I can't remember the details, the chap in the story tried to walk round to much in the day he had to do it and died on the way back so of Corse got nothing
 

German

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Can you explain what exactly caused the famine?
Of course
it started of with a potato blight.
However the english refused to serve handouts to the lower class irish and kept exporting the grain they stole from them as their slave masters. Malnurished People had to work for a handfull of food so that the factory owners could get their goods and stolen grain faster to england via railways. When emigration and death became so bad that they had no one to exploit anymore they changed ways and kept some grain in the country.
 

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A man has pleaded guilty at Newtownards Magistrates’ Court to waste offences relating to a bonfire next to the electrical sub-station on the Circular Road in Newtownards, Co. Down.

Gareth Gill (51) of Abbot’s Walk, Newtownards pleaded guilty to two charges under the Waste and Contaminated Land (Northern Ireland) Order 1997, for which he was fined £150 each and ordered to pay a £15 offender’s levy

On June 25, 2018, PSNI officers went to Gill’s yard, where they found a large amount of waste consisting of scrap wood, pallets, carpet and underlay.

Discussion with Northern Ireland Environment Agency (NIEA) officers confirmed the site...
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