beardface
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The war in Ukraine...
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Our resident death squad fan says the Russians firing ex Soviet vintage anti ship missiles at Ukrainian civilians is a sign of strength 
The pictures of Belorussian ammunition depots loading ex Soviet munitions by hand is going to be up in a minute as further evidence no doubt
The pictures of Belorussian ammunition depots loading ex Soviet munitions by hand is going to be up in a minute as further evidence no doubt
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Which tanks, and where?
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Washington DC!?
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Russia firing loads of rockets actually from Belarus yesterday/today.Our resident death squad fan says the Russians firing ex Soviet vintage anti ship missiles at Ukrainian civilians is a sign of strength
Strike on Desna: 20 missiles were fired at village from territory of Belarus. Infrastructure objects were destroyed. Pre-lossless
25.06.22 08:30 - A blow to the Desna: Strike on Desna: 20 missiles were fired at village from territory of Belarus. Infrastructure objects were destroyed. Pre-lossless. Today, June 25, at about 5 am, the Chernihiv region came under mass rocket fire.
Thats not a good move IMO
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Danllan
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No time soon.
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Nato into Ukraine, or Lithuania/Moldova if Putin does go "full Tonto". Head of army seems to think there's a good chance it'll be all put before years out. And there Intel will be a little better than TFF. Although Brian may be a FSB sleeper
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If you mean that Putin takes military action against a NATO state, yes, definitely. If you mean that Putin uses non-conventional weapons in Ukraine, I think tanks would be unlikely, but that air-strikes, a no-fly-zone and the naval securing of Ukrainian waters would be probable - most likely seeking a UN general mandate*.Nato into Ukraine, or Lithuania/Moldova if Putin does go "full Tonto". Head of army seems to think there's a good chance it'll be all put before years out. And there Intel will be a little better than TFF. Although Brian may be a FSB sleeper
*obviously the UNSC couldn't be used because it would see a Russian and Chinese veto.
ZzzzzzzzNato into Ukraine, or Lithuania/Moldova if Putin does go "full Tonto". Head of army seems to think there's a good chance it'll be all put before years out. And there Intel will be a little better than TFF. Although Brian may be a FSB sleeper
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Is Russia retreating yet?
Damm, busted!Isn't Z the war symbol
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Ukrainian troops being ordered to retreat from Severodonetsk?
They have control of all of Luhansk now?
They have control of all of Luhansk now?
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Very hard to defend anywhere against a total artillery barrage; but look at the topography of the area... the Russians can't now advance because the river is in their way - and we've seen the disasters they made before - and the Ukrainians have all of the high ground.
'Easier' for the Ukrainians to retake it all once the Russian guns are removed from the equation - either literally or because of no resupply. Expect this to happen once the Ukrainians deploy long range artillery; then nearly all is in their favour, because they can cross the river and they will have support form the high ground to their rear.
Don’t the Russians have something called a thermobaric weapon which might make standing near any artillery a bit nerve wracking
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FAEs, not much of an option... short range when used from artillery, well under ten miles from memory, the only alternative deployment being from aircraft - Russian aircraft now avoid Ukrainian held airspace, because they get destroyed if they don't.
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Is this a bit like the German withdrawal to the Hindenberg Line in 1917? Grandad said they withdrew from low ground all along the front to more advantageous positions so our forces were overlooked and having to struggle uphill.
Not sure being stuck on high ground if you’re being shot at with missiles rather than rifles is such an advantage, let’s hope for their sake missiles are in short supply
Surely the same applies in reverse? I would have thought high ground is better than low ground in warfare.
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Fair question... High ground is nearly always tactically important in warfare. For obvious reasons, weapons reach further from higher ground; you can see more from higher ground; it is physically harder to reach higher ground.
You are no more vulnerable to aircraft than on flat ground, ditto for artillery - in fact even less so - while possessing all the advantages listed above and their opposites plaguing the enemy coming from lower ground, shorter weapons' range, less visibility and gravity actually helping their enemy come at them - put a helmet on, a set of combats and carry ~50kgs of kit and you'll soon see that advantage!
Air supremacy for one side or the other can negate the advantage somewhat, but that doesn't apply either way in this instance. And e.g. a 'ridge' is an obvious place to hold, so and enemy will be pre-warned to expect opposition from it. However, overall, the advantages are all for the blokes on the high ground.