The war in Ukraine...
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Hindsight
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Just a couple of football clubs and an odd superyacht. Or a bit over fortnight revenue from European countries for Gas and Oil
No you are wrong here.You wrote:
I responded:
To which, without answering the question, you replied:
Implicitly admitting you were incorrect; Spain in fact joined after its fascism, no dictatorship has ever been allowed to join NATO.
So, you wrote stupidly out of ignorance, or you were aware of the truth and deliberately lied. Either way, just more evidence of your true nature.
The Democracy in Greece went out of the window to stop the socialists that won the Vote.
NATO didnt care
Same in Turkey.
Stop twisting my words.
Fits the need so its ok.
Strange since they ran out of missiles in March
Mr Mackay
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Not really
Whoever believed that old chestnut
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BBC today. Not the most convincing argument when it comes to the satellite photos.......
Tracking where Russia is taking Ukraine's stolen grain
Russia is accused of thefts of vast quantities of grain from occupied Ukraine. Where is it being taken?
www.bbc.co.uk
Danllan
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I quoted your posts, your words; no 'twisting' necessary to make them daft, simply taking them at written is enough. Keep it up...
Danllan
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US HIMARS - their version MLRS - have now been used by the Ukrainian Army. The first publicised hit is a Russian HQ in the Donbas, it's rumoured to have been an artillery HQ, but I suspect that may be just a bit of spin, for the irony, but who knows...?
And so what we predicted is happening: all of a sudden the Russians have nowhere safe inside Ukraine. No ammo dump, no logistical hub, no bridge, no route, no base, no HQ, nothing is out of reach for the Ukrainians to hit surgically*. As long as the Ukrainians keep their HIMARS / MLRS out of range of Russian artillery - which they obviously will - they aren't really going to have any problems.
Each HIMARS / MLRS has a Western-supplied air-defence battery attached to it, as well as MANPADS, so Russia can't use UAVs or aircraft to hit them. And they will have such a good ground defence ring that Russian SF won't be able to get them.
Of course something might get through, eventually, but both we - the UK - and the US have undertaken that the numbers of HIMARS / MLRS supplied will be maintained in case of loss and increased. Plus, now, German and French artillery systems are reaching the front, obviously not as long-ranged as HIMARS / MLRS, but they compare to the US M777 and do out-range the Russian guns, and with artillery that means a hell of a lot.
The current shave in UK military circles is that predictions that deployment of MLRS / HIMARS would be a game-changer, are being borne out, and... that, on the back of it, Ukrainian psyops have just begun a major broadcast offensive to Russian troops. This is letting them know they are within range of the kit, sending little videos explaining how effective it is etc.; once there are more MLRS / HIMARS working, expect to see the Ukrainians telling Russians at specific locations that they'll be hit in, say, 60 seconds - i.e. enough time to take cover and ensure some survivors to pass on the good news, but nowhere near enough time to move anything.
(One thing a fellow on a UK military forum - he is a genuine soldier - mentioned, was that this kit could also be used to hit ships... I'm not aware of this having been done and would welcome any info on it if others do know of such cases. But it seems plausible, bearing in mind what the missiles are capable of. Nonetheless, until this is backed by evidence I'll treat it as speculation rather than fact)
* And this kit will hit an A3 sized target everytime, unlike the Russian's best which will only get to something like a 400m radius of it.
And so what we predicted is happening: all of a sudden the Russians have nowhere safe inside Ukraine. No ammo dump, no logistical hub, no bridge, no route, no base, no HQ, nothing is out of reach for the Ukrainians to hit surgically*. As long as the Ukrainians keep their HIMARS / MLRS out of range of Russian artillery - which they obviously will - they aren't really going to have any problems.
Each HIMARS / MLRS has a Western-supplied air-defence battery attached to it, as well as MANPADS, so Russia can't use UAVs or aircraft to hit them. And they will have such a good ground defence ring that Russian SF won't be able to get them.
Of course something might get through, eventually, but both we - the UK - and the US have undertaken that the numbers of HIMARS / MLRS supplied will be maintained in case of loss and increased. Plus, now, German and French artillery systems are reaching the front, obviously not as long-ranged as HIMARS / MLRS, but they compare to the US M777 and do out-range the Russian guns, and with artillery that means a hell of a lot.
The current shave in UK military circles is that predictions that deployment of MLRS / HIMARS would be a game-changer, are being borne out, and... that, on the back of it, Ukrainian psyops have just begun a major broadcast offensive to Russian troops. This is letting them know they are within range of the kit, sending little videos explaining how effective it is etc.; once there are more MLRS / HIMARS working, expect to see the Ukrainians telling Russians at specific locations that they'll be hit in, say, 60 seconds - i.e. enough time to take cover and ensure some survivors to pass on the good news, but nowhere near enough time to move anything.
(One thing a fellow on a UK military forum - he is a genuine soldier - mentioned, was that this kit could also be used to hit ships... I'm not aware of this having been done and would welcome any info on it if others do know of such cases. But it seems plausible, bearing in mind what the missiles are capable of. Nonetheless, until this is backed by evidence I'll treat it as speculation rather than fact)
* And this kit will hit an A3 sized target everytime, unlike the Russian's best which will only get to something like a 400m radius of it.
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That’s great news to hear
Danllan
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It really is, and also bear in mind that the UK has helped Ukraine develop some really very clever and very effective directional radar kit that gives real-time data on the source of the shells!
Russia has a lot of artillery, no error, but it doesn't have an endless supply. Now, with the combination of the radar location kit and HIMARS / MLRS, Russian guns aren't going to be able to hide anywhere, and that's not even taking into account physical and remote surveillance. Plus the gun's resupply has now got a hell of a lot more difficult too - so it means fewer guns, used less and with ever-decreasing supplies of ammunition...
Mr Mackay
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It's a game changer
Sputein will have a fit
Is this really great to hear, as I see it this plan has a serious flaw, let's assume these weapons are not targeted by Russia & do succeed on inflicting serious casualties on the Russians, is the plan then to remove all Russians from all of Eastern Ukraine both military & civilian, if so that is going to cause serious problems.
If Putin sees things starting to go so wrong will he not resort to ever more desperate measures with ever more nasty weapons, if he does what do the west do, do they also send nasty missiles into Eastern Ukraine as it seems impossible that the west would be stupid enough to bomb Russia it's self.
Seems to me this has the serious potential to get far worse rather than better!
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You quted it and butchered the meaning.I quoted your posts, your words; no 'twisting' necessary to make them daft, simply taking them at written is enough. Keep it up...
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Due to significant losses among competent commanders, Russia has been forced to send in retired Major General Pavel to oversee a special forces unit operating in Eastern Ukraine. Pavel is a 67-year-old veteran of Russia's war in Afghanistan.
Mr Mackay
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Another ammo dump gone
Be easy to pick him up on a radar