The war in Ukraine...

BrianV

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why would us and uk encourage a war when everyone thought Russia would go in and take control of Ukraine in a matter of days??
The US & UK had no interest whatever in Ukraines final outcome of any invasion, Biden admitted in public that the US had fully anticipated Ukraine giving in within three weeks of any invasion but not before sophisticated US & UK weapons & out of uniform men had destroyed a vast amount of Russian hardware proving their weakness & stopping any military agreement between Russia & China, what the US didn't anticipate was Zelensky's government not capitulating & pressurising ever increasing amounts of Western hardware to be provided.
 

BrianV

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Then why the hell pretend different to the Ukraine leadership, just like their joining NATO!
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France warns it could take '15 or 20 years' for Ukraine to join EU

A bid by Ukraine to join the EU could not be finalised for "15 or 20 years," France's minister for European affairs has said.

Speaking on Radio J in Paris, Clement Beaune said: "We have to be honest. If you say Ukraine is going to join the EU in six months, or a year or two, you're lying.

"It's probably in 15 or 20 years, it takes a long time."

His comments poured cold water on Volodymyr Zelensky's hopes for expedited entry to the bloc in the wake of Russia's invasion.

Beaune repeated French President Emmanuel Macron's offer to create a looser "European political community" that could help integrate Ukraine sooner, adding: "I don't want to offer Ukrainians any illusions or lies."

Zelensky has turned down what he called "such compromises" and insisted on an immediate start of the process towards full EU membership.

Beaune said Macron's proposal is not "an alternative to joining the European political community", emphasising: "It doesn't prevent membership later on."

Ukraine's aspirations to join the EU and Nato are seen as the main reason Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion.

Macron's European political community initiative is due to be debated at an EU summit in June.
 

arcobob

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Sorry Bob but war is war & no two armies fight it the same way, Russians maybe don't value life as we do given their history but when you consider the damage they are doing to residential areas it's surprising far more civilians aren't being killed, I've no doubt given the losses & injuries the Russians are taking that surviving Russians aren't beyond crossing a line they shouldn't.
Russia will make sure that what's left of Ukraine won't be worth joining NATO & that's always been their aim, Ukraine's fecked & the pretence of West's weapons saving them will simply result in far more destruction.
If you invite a fox into the chicken run don't be surprised at the outcome!
As for WW2 given the millions of Russians killed desperately fighting the Germans with not much more than rifles I'm not surprised the Germans wanted British protection.
In fairness the allies were keen to shelter those with technical expertise, particularly those with weapons and rocket technology but it was a very dirty situation even at a lower level. An old friend whose family had been involved with the the plant breeding hub around Erfurt in Germany told me that his grandfather had been entrusted to find a new mayor, as the previous one had been killed. A suitable candidate had been found and he travelled through the night to Heidelburg to pick up and return with the said person. The new mayor was installed but the expertise from Erfurt was fast fleeing to the west. The Russians shot the poor man because he was seen as a collaborator. The leading plant breeders in the Heidleberg area were members of the Wagner familly but I cannot recall whether it was one of them.
 
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czechmate

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These are his troops ultimately under his command.

That Russian soldiers are this undisciplined is an indicator as to their state of readiness, their training and the nature of their command structure. I.e not much of any of them.

I hope Western countries give the Ukrainians whatever materiel they need. I hope more people volunteer to take the fight to the Russians. I'd like to see some air power on the side of the Ukrainians, too.
 

arcobob

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That Russian soldiers are this undisciplined is an indicator as to their state of readiness, their training and the nature of their command structure. I.e not much of any of them.

I hope Western countries give the Ukrainians whatever materiel they need. I hope more people volunteer to take the fight to the Russians. I'd like to see some air power on the side of the Ukrainians, too.
A relative who employed a number of Lituanians over time and valued their work ethic and dedication just lost his most trusted member. He returned home with the desire to join the Ukranian forces, though he fears he may be too old. His hatred and disrespect for the Russians was apparently endemic in the Baltic states.
 

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