The War on Meat has begun

Cowabunga

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Meat could be off farm close by also?
Yes it could be. However the distance does not necessarily determine its carbon footprint if that is the measure of morality or efficiency or religion used to compare such things. It is however at least as honest a measure for propaganda purposes as the vocal opposition are using.
Of course in some cases, such as flowers, fruit and veg flown in by aircraft from Africa, it is a significant factor.
 

Still Farming

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Mixed Farmer
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South Wales UK
Yes it could be. However the distance does not necessarily determine its carbon footprint if that is the measure of morality or efficiency or religion used to compare such things. It is however at least as honest a measure for propaganda purposes as the vocal opposition are using.
Well the veg grown and imported from abroad could have chemicals applied from Australia or Chinia or America etc etc so the true calculations to growing something and its true carbon foot prints are variable and debatable.
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
The late great Hans Rosling makes my reasoning perfectly simple to understand.


To every argument there is a counter argument. Maltheus back in the 18th century had his own ideas and but for fossil fuels he would be proved right....and still may be. It is certainly happening in countries like India.


"The Malthusian trap or population trap is a condition whereby excess population would stop growing due to shortage of food supply leading to starvation. It is named for Thomas Robert Malthus, who suggested that while technological advances could increase a society's supply of resources, such as food, and thereby improve the standard of living, the resource abundance would enable population growth, which would eventually bring the per capita supply of resources back to its original level".
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
The problem is at the moment the world is awash with food. There is more food than people to eat it. If you can't grow it you can buy it at very reasonable prices. Farming unfortunately does need either a famine or a war to become appreciated
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
The thing is our population is growing. Its grown 5% in the last seven years. Only 2% of the UK are vegan. So there is no reason for meat sales to be effected by this over the past 10 years. Most people like meat.

The worlds population goes up by 3 a second, even if every new person in the world born went vegan, its wouldn't effect meat sales significantly for quite a while. And if only 10% of those born become vegan, it definitely won't effect much. And it really doesn't matter. Because not eating meat really doesn't effect your carbon footprint that much, especially in the UK. Although in South America that statement probably isn't as true.
Except the thought police decimated diesel cars even though non urban high mileage vehicles are probably still best for the planet as small diesels

The thought police are at it again on handsfree phones. If the police and fire service can drive responding and use handsfree, then a good ordinary driver is certainly safe. The trouble is someone will have ticked a box to say speed and a phone were involved with an RTC and then it must be those factors that are automatically at fault

Goldsmiths College decision is a massive watershed. Now it will be seen as PC to stop beef .

World’s gone mad
 

primmiemoo

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Devon
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...s-closing-across-uk-not-enough-people-follow/

Veganism is just virtue signalling. It's the opposite of being in fight club.
The first rule of being a vegan is tell everyone,
The second rule is tell everyone.....

There are plenty of vegetarians who are fed up with being suddenly lumped in with vegans.

Most vegetarians do have their heads screwed on the right way, eat cheese and eggs, enjoy honey, drink milk, understand all about the benefits of wool and fibres from animals. Some wear leather shoes, recognising in so doing that whilst they might not eat meat, others do, and it would be a shameful waste not to utilise byproducts.
 

Cowabunga

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Ceredigion,Wales
To every argument there is a counter argument. Maltheus back in the 18th century had his own ideas and but for fossil fuels he would be proved right....and still may be. It is certainly happening in countries like India.


"The Malthusian trap or population trap is a condition whereby excess population would stop growing due to shortage of food supply leading to starvation. It is named for Thomas Robert Malthus, who suggested that while technological advances could increase a society's supply of resources, such as food, and thereby improve the standard of living, the resource abundance would enable population growth, which would eventually bring the per capita supply of resources back to its original level".

You can't seriously compare 18thC predictions with serious scientific calculations from one of the world's foremost and respected statisticians of modern times.
 
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If that uni wants to reduce or eliminate their Carbon footprint just ban Foreign students and their air miles getting there???


University spokesman on C4 news said that there is an alternative to beef, but no alternative to flying as rail or sea travel for overseas students is "not practical"

He's obviously not a scholar of history or he'd know that the Vikings, Romans, Normans etc. managed to get here without aircraft.
 

Scribus

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Except the thought police decimated diesel cars even though non urban high mileage vehicles are probably still best for the planet as small diesels

The thought police are at it again on handsfree phones. If the police and fire service can drive responding and use handsfree, then a good ordinary driver is certainly safe. The trouble is someone will have ticked a box to say speed and a phone were involved with an RTC and then it must be those factors that are automatically at fault

Goldsmiths College decision is a massive watershed. Now it will be seen as PC to stop beef .

World’s gone mad

The hands free issue is hardly new, I recall reading about a Swedish (Nordic anyway) study that noted it was not the physical act of holding the phone but the distraction of the conversation that caused accidents. The effect tended to last for several minutes after the call had finished. This was probably back in the late nineties.
 

JP1

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Livestock Farmer
The hands free issue is hardly new, I recall reading about a Swedish (Nordic anyway) study that noted it was not the physical act of holding the phone but the distraction of the conversation that caused accidents. The effect tended to last for several minutes after the call had finished. This was probably back in the late nineties.
And it's very flawed research too

Radios / drugs / arguments / screaming kids / pressure to get time deadlines especially when you leave late. I bet those are all very valid. What traffic copper is going to note any of those in the accident stats?
 

Scribus

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What we need is our man Selwyn Gummer to force feed his kid a burger to show how safe they are. So where is he now ? - Oh, I see

Lord Deben is Chairman of the UK's independent Committee on Climate Change
 

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

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