There is no more money

[Timmer]

Thats the problem in this country, to many people scared of change, i agree, this country needs a bloody good shake up, change is good.

Do you not think we will still be choked by the same regulations however just without subsidy payments? I agree change can be good, however I have never believed the British government would let’s us crack on like say New Zealand

 

[Hindsight]

Do you not think we will still be choked by the same regulations however just without subsidy payments? I agree change can be good, however I have never believed the British government would let’s us crack on like say New Zealand

I have said before on many threads - which regulations should be dispensed, bearing in mind we live in a 'modern' democratic relatively urban society in a small country where non farming closely neighbours farming and assuming the country is not going to move to a 'third world' status where, for example Health and Safety or employment legislation is going to be chucked away.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

I wasn't a get out voter or stay in voter. Mainly because I could see drawbacks and benefits for either choice.
But since the out vote I'm happy to go along with it. However I'm extremely disappointed with the EU's attitude and efforts to make it a failure.

No, it's our failure I'm afraid.

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Well live bitter and twisted then ya miserable git.

I don't think I'm bitter and twisted, disappointed, yes. Hence I will spend the next few decades working and agitating towards article 49.

 

[Hilly]

I don't think I'm bitter and twisted, disappointed, yes. Hence I will spend the next few decades working and agitating towards article 49.

The your going to be more disappointed than ever before.

 

[Hilly]

 

[joe soapy]

Its very bad form to be suggesting that the people on these islands are incapable of standing on their own feet.
As a citizen of the UK i feel quite insulted by the remainers

 

[Hilly]

We have millions of our own who sit on benefits, what do we do with them?

If the English weren't so lazy we wouldn't need immigrant labour. If English benefits weren't so generous maybe people would have an incentive to work. People like yourself are blaming Europe for an English problem.

I know what id do with them but the good doing leftie filth wouldn't have it.

 

[Hilly]

 

[Fragonard]

Crikey, the naievity is beyond believable!!


So the Brexit vote drove the stock markets up, it drove farmers income up, it drove small business profits up, all and sundry paid off bank loans ....... wow ...... does that ale house of yours do a lively trade in marijuana as well as real ale???

On the way to driving out Airbus and BMW also. 22000 jobs at risk.

 

[ollie989898]

On the way to driving out Airbus and BMW also. 22000 jobs at risk.

Don't believe it for a second, big businesses do whatever the hell suits them, they don't care a jot about British jobs, German jobs or anyone's jobs. They operate wholly at the behest of their shareholders whose motivations are as diverse as the contributors on this forum. That is the reality howsoever you want to paint it.

 

[Fragonard]

Don't believe it for a second, big businesses do whatever the hell suits them, they don't care a jot about British jobs, German jobs or anyone's jobs. They operate wholly at the behest of their shareholders whose motivations are as diverse as the contributors on this forum. That is the reality howsoever you want to paint it.

Yes, if it suits their shareholders to move, they're gone!

 

[Fragonard]

Don't believe it for a second, big businesses do whatever the hell suits them, they don't care a jot about British jobs, German jobs or anyone's jobs. They operate wholly at the behest of their shareholders whose motivations are as diverse as the contributors on this forum. That is the reality howsoever you want to paint it.

Yes, if it suits their shareholders to move, they're gone!

 

[ollie989898]

Given the above, you can perhaps appreciate why sentiments like this are thus pointless:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44610010

Donald Trump has said Harley-Davidsons should "never" be built abroad, as he attacked the firm's plans to move some production overseas to avoid European tariffs.

Mr Trump said the iconic bike brand's new Thailand plant marked a "surrender" and "the beginning of the end".

Last week, the EU imposed retaliatory tariffs on US goods, including bourbon, orange juice and motorcycles.

 

[Hilly]

Given the above, you can perhaps appreciate why sentiments like this are thus pointless:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44610010

Donald Trump has said Harley-Davidsons should "never" be built abroad, as he attacked the firm's plans to move some production overseas to avoid European tariffs.

Mr Trump said the iconic bike brand's new Thailand plant marked a "surrender" and "the beginning of the end".

Last week, the EU imposed retaliatory tariffs on US goods, including bourbon, orange juice and motorcycles.

If some thing is manufactured abroad its of no use to usa so hes right to tax them heavily abroad, if at home slash that tax, hes right.

 

[ollie989898]

If some thing is manufactured abroad its of no use to usa so hes right to tax them heavily abroad, if at home slash that tax, hes right.

What do you mean 'of no use to the USA'?

Some of the designers, motorcycle owners or company shareholders might be American? How in the heck is it useless to the USA then?

The United Sates government does not own Harley-Davidson. Trump needs to STFU and let a private enterprise do whatever it wishes.

On this very forum, there are contributors from both sides of the pond and Australia, rightly complaining about governments interfering with the actions of private enterprise. And here you are, saying you agree with the US government putting their oar in on Harley-Davidson? WTF?

 

[Hilly]

What do you mean 'of no use to the USA'?

Some of the designers, motorcycle owners or company shareholders might be American? How in the heck is it useless to the USA then?

The United Sates government does not own Harley-Davidson. Trump needs to STFU and let a private enterprise do whatever it wishes.

On this very forum, there are contributors from both sides of the pond and Australia, rightly complaining about governments interfering with the actions of private enterprise. And here you are, saying you agree with the US government putting their oar in on Harley-Davidson? WTF?

If hd move abroad they loose usa jobs so tax them heavily to make them stay, they stay keep usa jobs and tax them lightly , makes perfect sense too me.

 

[ollie989898]

If hd move abroad they loose usa jobs so tax them heavily to make them stay, they stay keep usa jobs and tax them lightly , makes perfect sense too me.

Again, there is no reason any company, much less this one, should employ anyone, American or otherwise.

Should Apple be forced by law to employ only American workers?

 

[Hilly]

Again, there is no reason any company, much less this one, should employ anyone, American or otherwise.

Should Apple be forced by law to employ only American workers?

No but if they import goods into usa tax them if made in usa dont its quite simple. Local town too me is very poor very poor used to thrive on mills, all the machines are still used abroad on cheap labour importing cheap products yet the town is feked, tax them imports and bring back the mills here creates employment employment is the best thing for a country better than taxing whats left at home too death.

 

[ollie989898]

No but if they import goods into usa tax them if made in usa dont its quite simple. Local town too me is very poor very poor used to thrive on mills, all the machines are still used abroad on cheap labour importing cheap products yet the town is feked, tax them imports and bring back the mills here creates employment employment is the best thing for a country better than taxing whats left at home too death.

You are kind of missing the point. Companies today are stateless. Where they base themselves, or manufacture or market a product is now global and basically irrelevant, a decision will be made on the circumstances at the time. They don't employ people for altruistic reasons; they do so to make money. That's the only reason they only exist, to make profits for whoever invests in them. Every worker employed is a direct cost centre to a business, and believe me, they would rather not have to pay the money as is aptly demonstrated by so much manufacturing being done by robots.

Additionally, taxing the ass off an imported product makes no sense. You are loading a cost onto the product which is basically paid by the consumer, who could well be an American anyway. And secondly, the majority of a particular product might be sold elsewhere anyway. By taxing a product or company's goods, you are actually making it more difficult and costly to market or operate within your shores. Why would you do that?

And manufacturing is a peculiar world anyway. In a product's given life cycle, the profit and value within it is not obtained during manufacture. It is arrived at entirely by the people who own the IP, who designed it and who marketed it. It is identical for almost every consumer product. People bemoan the fact the Chinese and Taiwan make so much stuff, but don't realise they are being paid the least amount possible for that service. The man who wrote the code for the Iphone or designed the tablet being assembled got the biggest earn out of each individual unit sold.