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Grumpy71

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Mixed Farmer
2nd lot I found this year and still June!
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not sure what it is about mushrooms . One year we had mushrooms to embarrassing excess , our kids took their toy wheelbarrows out and came back overfilled , without even making an impression . Other years none - literally none , and it doesn't seem to have to do with temperature either . My grandfather always reckoned that in-foal mares brought them out , but I always discounted that as an old woman's tale . And as far as "seeding " logs with bought-in spawn , well, less said the better . Total failure on that score too . Really used to annoy me , as I love mushrooms , on toast , in casseroles and any other way . I just accept it now . Many years ago , I worked out "on the road " for a national company , and in season , I would pass fields literally white with them , and I was always surprised that people regarded them as fair game and free to access and collect - that they were on private land didn't seem to come into it .
 

No wot

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Had masses last autumn underneath some small rd side trees that had been cut back and chipped by council contractors and grew in the chippings, hoping will grow this autumn too🤞
 
Location
Cleveland
not sure what it is about mushrooms . One year we had mushrooms to embarrassing excess , our kids took their toy wheelbarrows out and came back overfilled , without even making an impression . Other years none - literally none , and it doesn't seem to have to do with temperature either . My grandfather always reckoned that in-foal mares brought them out , but I always discounted that as an old woman's tale .

when dad used to keep a lot of horses he used to get so many mushrooms he used to sell them to Chinese restaurants….since the horses went we rarely get any
 

som farmer

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somerset
we have moved from ploughing, in our grass fields, to non inversion tillage, and while we do not, get many these days, we seem to get odd patches, of them, all over, some places, first time ever.
soil relies on a complex mix of worms and microbial fungi, so what it means, is, l hope, that our soils are improving, in fertility and structure. Makes me wonder, how long, mushroom 'seed' can last, in the soil. And, why they are in one place, one year, but not again the next.
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
not sure what it is about mushrooms . One year we had mushrooms to embarrassing excess , our kids took their toy wheelbarrows out and came back overfilled , without even making an impression . Other years none - literally none , and it doesn't seem to have to do with temperature either . My grandfather always reckoned that in-foal mares brought them out , but I always discounted that as an old woman's tale . And as far as "seeding " logs with bought-in spawn , well, less said the better . Total failure on that score too . Really used to annoy me , as I love mushrooms , on toast , in casseroles and any other way . I just accept it now . Many years ago , I worked out "on the road " for a national company , and in season , I would pass fields literally white with them , and I was always surprised that people regarded them as fair game and free to access and collect - that they were on private land didn't seem to come into it .
I seem to remember mushroom picking has some special niche in our legal history, like 'hook or by crook' where Anglo Saxon peasants had the freedom to collect small quantities of minor timber. There is a family legend that a farming neighbour of the family (also farmers) caught someone collecting mushrooms, took them from them, and stamped them into the ground. His destructive actions were considered a crime by the family probably because he was destroying food that would be perished and useless in a day or so. But I am not sure of the true legal position. Trespass for the pedantic, but theft? I believe there are laws against picking fungi on a commercial scale and that is theft. Can't think why really as the 'mushrooms' are only the fruiting bodies of a fungus that is mostly below ground.
 

som farmer

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somerset
I seem to remember mushroom picking has some special niche in our legal history, like 'hook or by crook' where Anglo Saxon peasants had the freedom to collect small quantities of minor timber. There is a family legend that a farming neighbour of the family (also farmers) caught someone collecting mushrooms, took them from them, and stamped them into the ground. His destructive actions were considered a crime by the family probably because he was destroying food that would be perished and useless in a day or so. But I am not sure of the true legal position. Trespass for the pedantic, but theft? I believe there are laws against picking fungi on a commercial scale and that is theft. Can't think why really as the 'mushrooms' are only the fruiting bodies of a fungus that is mostly below ground.
trespass, is a civil law offence, and you would have a right of address. Normal law is different to civil law.
Interestingly, some retailers are using civil law, to sue persistent shoplifters, it also allows for fines, greater than what the offender say's they can afford. If you prosecute through 'normal' law, you have to get through the CPS first, and the offender is punishable by fines, calculated to by their ability to pay, over time.
Civil law takes priority over 'normal' law, but it is largely ignored by police, l wonder why, and others. The vast majority of people will never come across civil law, it is generally assumed, to have been replaced by 'normal' law, something the police quite happily encourage that opinion. I first came across it, when l helped evict a band of travellers, that had moved onto a friends farm, the police pleaded with us, not to do it, even read the riot act to us, and called in reinforcements - the riot police. However, they were forced to admit, under civil law, we had the right, and could use 'reasonable force' to remove them, which we duly did, much to the police disgust.
Its a very complicated system, based on historic actions, and for anyone to use it, they must take some serious advice first.
 

Dry Rot

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Livestock Farmer
trespass, is a civil law offence, and you would have a right of address. Normal law is different to civil law.
Interestingly, some retailers are using civil law, to sue persistent shoplifters, it also allows for fines, greater than what the offender say's they can afford. If you prosecute through 'normal' law, you have to get through the CPS first, and the offender is punishable by fines, calculated to by their ability to pay, over time.
Civil law takes priority over 'normal' law, but it is largely ignored by police, l wonder why, and others. The vast majority of people will never come across civil law, it is generally assumed, to have been replaced by 'normal' law, something the police quite happily encourage that opinion. I first came across it, when l helped evict a band of travellers, that had moved onto a friends farm, the police pleaded with us, not to do it, even read the riot act to us, and called in reinforcements - the riot police. However, they were forced to admit, under civil law, we had the right, and could use 'reasonable force' to remove them, which we duly did, much to the police disgust.
Its a very complicated system, based on historic actions, and for anyone to use it, they must take some serious advice first.
Interesting. I take it 'normal' law is criminal law. i.e. created by statutes through Parliament? I am not a lawyer but find the law fascinating! :)
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Interesting. I take it 'normal' law is criminal law. i.e. created by statutes through Parliament? I am not a lawyer but find the law fascinating! :)
not quite sure how to describe 'normal' law, 'present law' ?
civil law has evolved through centuries, and one can see why police, CPS, etc, want to let it lapse, it means more work for them.
but it is based on historic principles, that seem irrelevant today, but, it is there, and weighted towards the 'victim', rather than the offender.
 

jendan

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Location
Northumberland
not quite sure how to describe 'normal' law, 'present law' ?
civil law has evolved through centuries, and one can see why police, CPS, etc, want to let it lapse, it means more work for them.
but it is based on historic principles, that seem irrelevant today, but, it is there, and weighted towards the 'victim', rather than the offender.
Very interesting. Whats your view on this,@Danllan ?
 

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