Thick spring oat volunteers

[Wigeon]

I would be most grateful for the collective wisdom on the following;

I have a 25ha field of thick spring oat volunteers courtesy of august storms. I sprayed it pre drilling wheat, but it didn't work well and the oats kept coming. It only got half drilled and that drowned. Anyway, it looks like this and has been a pleasant home for aphids:

The soil has however definitely benefitted from the cover, and looks like this:

It has been during nicely, and I want to drill spring wheat.

The question is is it madness to spray tomorrow and drill in a fortnight without moving be soil, or am I best (which I think I am) to spray it tomorrow then run through with the pigtail to get some air in and speed up the breakdown.

I know following with spring wheat might not be the best option, but needs must.

Thanks

 

[primmiemoo]

Sheep on it quick!

 

[farmerm]

wholecrop oats....

 

[bobk]

Wouldn't bother with spring wheat this year

 

[spin cycle]

no need to spray and wait ...plough it in

 

[tr250]

what drill?
Presuming you have a drill that will go straight in the options are
spray now wait until it’s very brown and withered probably a month before drilling.

Spray now drill a crop that’s not a cereal ie beans asap this would be my choice

run tines through it warm the soil mineralise some N but bring up bg seeds and dry it out ive got a feeling we will need all the moisture we can get this spring/summer

 

[Wigeon]

what drill?
Presuming you have a drill that will go straight in the options are
spray now wait until it’s very brown and withered probably a month before drilling.

Spray now drill a crop that’s not a cereal ie beans asap this would be my choice

run tines through it warm the soil mineralise some N but bring up bg seeds and dry it out ive got a feeling we will need all the moisture we can get this spring/summer

Beans would be ideal but they dont do well on there- stem nematodes and fusarium foot rot 4yrs ago on that field. Erring towards spray and tines as I dont have a plough, and i don't fancy chancing a wait until april. That said it'll probably pour again and we wont be drilling before april anyway!

 

[teslacoils]

Wow. My wind blown, self set oats have been mullered by frost. Tbh, they did get almost to panicles out before Christmas.

 

[Wigeon]

Wow. My wind blown, self set oats have been mullered by frost. Tbh, they did get almost to panicles out before Christmas.

Wish mine looked like that!

 

[Brisel]

What drills do you have access to? What is the structure like underneath? I'd DD that if I could. My clay is wet underneath and a drag would smear. You have good surface structure & if you can get a disc or tine through that, I'd try it. Let us know what you do, please.

 

[Wigeon]

Thanks. I can dd with aitchison or sprinter on dutch. Needs a bit more drying, but hoping next few days. Roundup flex just gone on it.

 

[teslacoils]

Wish mine looked like that!

I don't! Was hoping they would keep growing until 1st August.

 

[Cowmansam]

Probably a stupid question as I know nothing on arable matters but if you have a crop like that looking good and established for free why change it ? Is it a disease risk or something else ?

 

[Y Fan Wen]

Probably a stupid question as I know nothing on arable matters but if you have a crop like that looking good and established for free why change it ? Is it a disease risk or something else ?

As a mountain farmer who hardly ever turns a sod, that is just the question I was going to ask. As Dad used to say, reinforce success.

 

[Wigeon]

Considered it, but established grass weeds and serious bydv prevent

 

[Spencer]

I would be most grateful for the collective wisdom on the following;

I have a 25ha field of thick spring oat volunteers courtesy of august storms. I sprayed it pre drilling wheat, but it didn't work well and the oats kept coming. It only got half drilled and that drowned. Anyway, it looks like this and has been a pleasant home for aphids:


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The soil has however definitely benefitted from the cover, and looks like this:

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It has been during nicely, and I want to drill spring wheat.

The question is is it madness to spray tomorrow and drill in a fortnight without moving be soil, or am I best (which I think I am) to spray it tomorrow then run through with the pigtail to get some air in and speed up the breakdown.

I know following with spring wheat might not be the best option, but needs must.

Thanks

Same situation here on one field. Two wet to spray off still and got SW ready to go in. Plan is to spray off as soon as I can travel then straight in with Mzuri with plenty of Fertiliser under the seed..

 

[Wigeon]

Well we drilled it on 8th at 450 seeds with 100kgs of DAP, without moving it, and managed to roll before the weather broke:

Seed is chitted and it now looks like this.

Fingers crossed!

 

[Wigeon]

It is coming at last. Regret rolling it now as top is like rock, but there we are. It's a bit thin in the thickest of the volunteers, but generally ok I think, though not brilliant.

 

[Wigeon]

This is now in the shed, and did a fairly underwhelming 5.7t/ha.

That said, yield is on a par with the spring barley and the spec of both is reasonable, so not a disaster.