Things that would improve farm safety ?

[Vader]

Do you not understand statistics or maths. Yes more people die of dog attacks than farmers die because fido has run them over. There are what 70 million people in this country so say 25 million have dogs... of that 25 million. Only 10,000 at most will be farmers that take their dogs to work.......
Dogs should not be in cabs....
I understand they are good for mental health but they should not be in cabs unless In a secure box.

Looking for a job in government? As you sound as big a tool as 1 of them..
Maths and statistics mean fudge all when its less than 1 death a year.
In fact the doom sayers here have found 1 reported example of dog moving leaver and 1 unreported.
Both cases it was farmers fault.
No hand brake on.
Engine running.
Dog in cab.

There no reported accidents of dog causing accident when farmer and dog in cab together.
(Probably more deaths from machines with no dogs in them...)
So you want to ban dogs in cabs for no cases? Stopping 1,000s of farmers having pleasure of their faithful friend with them a day, when they working alone for hours at a time. You sound like a proper council/gov worker....

Oh we better all give up beef farming as well then , after all farmers ARE killed every year by cattle and its not possible to eliminate all the risk when dealing with cattle .
After all when your maths and statistics will show much more risk and deaths from cows than dog in a cab and you want to ban dogs, how can you justify working with cattle,?

To sum up.
Dogs in cab with farmers zero risk.
Dog left in cab, with engine running and no handbrake on, slight risk.
Take dog out of cab when you get out (which i am sure 99% do anyway to let it stretch its legs and have a pee) and risk eliminated.
There, did not need maths and a gov statistics official to solve that now did it.

 

[Vader]

I'm neither defending nor criticising dogs in cabs but I suspect they would be far more capable of triggering a machine in modern tractors. Even our 1999 Jd requires you to lift and turn a knob to engage the pto. No dog could do that. A simple push button would be entirely different.

Likewise, a dog is unlikely to engage the transmission on it but a newer tractor with a joystick transmission control would be much more likely.

In a very modern tractor a dog probably is a significant risk.

Just take dog out of cab when you get out.
Not rocket science....

 

[Highland Mule]

Looking for a job in government? As you sound as big a tool as 1 of them..
Maths and statistics mean fudge all when its less than 1 death a year.
In fact the doom sayers here have found 1 reported example of dog moving leaver and 1 unreported.
Both cases it was farmers fault.
No hand brake on.
Engine running.
Dog in cab.

There no reported accidents of dog causing accident when farmer and dog in cab together.
(Probably more deaths from machines with no dogs in them...)
So you want to ban dogs in cabs for no cases? Stopping 1,000s of farmers having pleasure of their faithful friend with them a day, when they working alone for hours at a time. You sound like a proper council/gov worker....

Oh we better all give up beef farming as well then , after all farmers ARE killed every year by cattle and its not possible to eliminate all the risk when dealing with cattle .
After all when your maths and statistics will show much more risk and deaths from cows than dog in a cab and you want to ban dogs, how can you justify working with cattle,?

To sum up.
Dogs in cab with farmers zero risk.
Dog left in cab, with engine running and no handbrake on, slight risk.
Take dog out of cab when you get out (which i am sure 99% do anyway to let it stretch its legs and have a pee) and risk eliminated.
There, did not need maths and a gov statistics official to solve that now did it.

To sum up - you don’t understand risk and should not be advising anyone on safety matters.

 

[TheTallGuy]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/agriculture/makethepromise/farmersstories/transport/adevonfarmer.htm

Dogs in cabs pose easily avoidable risks & just because the outcome isn't always death, it doesn't mean that those risks aren't serious or have the potential to have life changing consequences. My personal feeling is that dogs do not belong in tractor cabs, unless they can be fully secured and prevented from accessing all controls.

Whilst performing a safe stop and taking the dog out of the tractor whenever getting out of the tractor is a mitigation, how many folk would do so every time they hop off to open or close a gate?

 

[Henarar]

unless they can be fully secured and prevented from accessing all controls.

there you go,
just tie them up
same in a car
simples

 

[CPF]

From your post Vader.

There no reported accidents of dog causing accident when farmer and dog in cab
I’ve got a feeling your search engine isn’t working properly . I’ve just put it into Google and there is a big long list.
It does not matter if one person is killed or hundreds. It’s how each individual family has to grieve over someone being taken from their family when these things can be avoided . So we posted two stories

 

[Vader]

https://www.hse.gov.uk/agriculture/makethepromise/farmersstories/transport/adevonfarmer.htm

Dogs in cabs pose easily avoidable risks & just because the outcome isn't always death, it doesn't mean that those risks aren't serious or have the potential to have life changing consequences. My personal feeling is that dogs do not belong in tractor cabs, unless they can be fully secured and prevented from accessing all controls.

Whilst performing a safe stop and taking the dog out of the tractor whenever getting out of the tractor is a mitigation, how many folk would do so every time they hop off to open or close a gate?

Well same ones probably don't put on the handbrake either. .
As for dog to get it moving its not been engaged.

 

[Vader]

From your post Vader.

There no reported accidents of dog causing accident when farmer and dog in cab
I’ve got a feeling your search engine isn’t working properly . I’ve just put it into Google and there is a big long list.
It does not matter if one person is killed or hundreds. It’s how each individual family has to grieve over someone being taken from their family when these things can be avoided . So we posted two stories
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I did not search for any.
I said the doom sayers could only find odd incident.
I don't see any dates on your posts.
Are they in 1 year or over many years.?

Fact is NOTHING is safe in life.
If a farmer wants to have a dog with him, and he takes it out of cab when he gets out, then he has nearly zero chance of getting hurt.
Working with cattle, much bigger chance.
So why the worry about a dog?
As stated before, I don't have a dog. So not defending my right to have 1 in a cab.
More, I get sick of people banging on about safety stuff when less than 1 person a year dies of something. Its a tragic accident, but that's it, an accident.
If someone wants to make a choice, its their choice. Long as they not been forced to do it, then its their choice.
If a farmer wants a dog with them to make their job better mentally for them. By taking away that simple pleasure then your ruining another part if someone's life.

As posted above, I could got free climbing (used to a bit a actually in my younger days) and no health and safety would bother me.
1 slip and game over.
Are you calling for free climbing to be stopped? If not why not? Its risky.

We are adult's.
We assess something.
We decide if the risk is worth the reward and do or don't follow through with it.
Its upto the individual to decide if doing something with nearly zero chance of being hurt is OK for them.
The reward of companionship for most farmers is worth the tiny chance of risk.

You doom mongers need to go get a job with Red Tractor. Be perfect for you...

 

[Henarar]

From your post Vader.

There no reported accidents of dog causing accident when farmer and dog in cab
I’ve got a feeling your search engine isn’t working properly . I’ve just put it into Google and there is a big long list.
It does not matter if one person is killed or hundreds. It’s how each individual family has to grieve over someone being taken from their family when these things can be avoided . So we posted two stories
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Well tie the dog up then

 

[Clive]

Looking for a job in government? As you sound as big a tool as 1 of them..
Maths and statistics mean fudge all when its less than 1 death a year.
In fact the doom sayers here have found 1 reported example of dog moving leaver and 1 unreported.
Both cases it was farmers fault.
No hand brake on.
Engine running.
Dog in cab.

There no reported accidents of dog causing accident when farmer and dog in cab together.
(Probably more deaths from machines with no dogs in them...)
So you want to ban dogs in cabs for no cases? Stopping 1,000s of farmers having pleasure of their faithful friend with them a day, when they working alone for hours at a time. You sound like a proper council/gov worker....

Oh we better all give up beef farming as well then , after all farmers ARE killed every year by cattle and its not possible to eliminate all the risk when dealing with cattle .
After all when your maths and statistics will show much more risk and deaths from cows than dog in a cab and you want to ban dogs, how can you justify working with cattle,?

To sum up.
Dogs in cab with farmers zero risk.
Dog left in cab, with engine running and no handbrake on, slight risk.
Take dog out of cab when you get out (which i am sure 99% do anyway to let it stretch its legs and have a pee) and risk eliminated.
There, did not need maths and a gov statistics official to solve that now did it.

so next time you get on a plane and see the pilot has bought his well trained terrier for a ride out and will sit him in the co- pilots seat you will be ok with that ?

what could possibly go wrong ?

safety is all about elimination of unnecessary risk - a dog in a tractor cab is unnecessary unless you are a shepard etc

 

[Robt]

Looking for a job in government? As you sound as big a tool as 1 of them..
Maths and statistics mean fudge all when its less than 1 death a year.
In fact the doom sayers here have found 1 reported example of dog moving leaver and 1 unreported.
Both cases it was farmers fault.
No hand brake on.
Engine running.
Dog in cab.

There no reported accidents of dog causing accident when farmer and dog in cab together.
(Probably more deaths from machines with no dogs in them...)
So you want to ban dogs in cabs for no cases? Stopping 1,000s of farmers having pleasure of their faithful friend with them a day, when they working alone for hours at a time. You sound like a proper council/gov worker....

Oh we better all give up beef farming as well then , after all farmers ARE killed every year by cattle and its not possible to eliminate all the risk when dealing with cattle .
After all when your maths and statistics will show much more risk and deaths from cows than dog in a cab and you want to ban dogs, how can you justify working with cattle,?

To sum up.
Dogs in cab with farmers zero risk.
Dog left in cab, with engine running and no handbrake on, slight risk.
Take dog out of cab when you get out (which i am sure 99% do anyway to let it stretch its legs and have a pee) and risk eliminated.
There, did not need maths and a gov statistics official to solve that now did it.

Thank you!

 

[Henarar]

so next time you get on a plane and see the pilot has bought his well trained terrier for a ride out and will sit him in the co- pilots seat you will be ok with that ?

what could possibly go wrong ?

safety is all about elimination of unnecessary risk - a dog in a tractor cab is unnecessary unless you are a shepard etc

If the dog was tied up so it couldn't get near any controls I wouldn't give a sh1t

 

[l'ordinary bonville]

so next time you get on a plane and see the pilot has bought his well trained terrier for a ride out and will sit him in the co- pilots seat you will be ok with that ?

what could possibly go wrong ?

safety is all about elimination of unnecessary risk - a dog in a tractor cab is unnecessary unless you are a shepard etc

There were times when a well trained terrier would have been more useful than the tool sat next to me...

But let's not frighten everyone desperate to get on a plane

 

[Vader]

so next time you get on a plane and see the pilot has bought his well trained terrier for a ride out and will sit him in the co- pilots seat you will be ok with that ?

what could possibly go wrong ?

safety is all about elimination of unnecessary risk - a dog in a tractor cab is unnecessary unless you are a shepard etc

Clive, normally I got time and respect for your posts, but your makng yourself look silly with that comparison .

I would be quite happy with dog in cockpit of a modern jet.
No risk.

Been on sea plane island hopping in younger days with dog in cockpit.
Did not worry me at all.

 

[Bury the Trash]

Been on sea plane island hopping in younger days with dog in cockpit.
Did not worry me at all.

wow was that you? i used to love that there tales of the golden monkey and he only had one eye a s well (see 0.11)

:

 

[Clive]

Clive, normally I got time and respect for your posts, but your makng yourself look silly with that comparison .

I would be quite happy with dog in cockpit of a modern jet.
No risk.

Been on sea plane island hopping in younger days with dog in cockpit.
Did not worry me at all.

im pretty sure that easy jet will have a “no pets at work” policy

 

[TheTallGuy]

It's one of those things that people think isn't a problem - right up until something goes wrong & then it is a problem - one that could have been avoided. But hey ho...

 

[Clive]

It's one of those things that people think isn't a problem - right up until something goes wrong & then it is a problem - one that could have been avoided. But hey ho...

i exactly - nobody ever plans to have an accident !

 

[puntabrava]

Crash for cash.

 

[Henarar]

It's one of those things that people think isn't a problem - right up until something goes wrong & then it is a problem - one that could have been avoided. But hey ho...

Yep like speeding down the duel carriageway in their fendt
hey ho