Thinking about a diferent breed of bull

Discussion in 'Livestock & Forage' started by Henarar, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    We have been toying with the idea of running a different breed of bull, at the moment we always keep two British blue stock bulls to run with our suckler cows and heifers including our pedigree blues as well as using AI to try to get some replacements

    Was thinking of just keeping one blue stock bull for our own use and getting a different breed for getting replacements from our crossbreeds and also to use on some of our ped blue females as we seem to be getting more of them than we want for pedigree breeding

    It would have to be a breed that was quiet, cave easy, milky/good mother but also would want a breed that the steer calves would sell well at about 10 months,

    Breeds I have thought about and my thoughts about them

    Lincoln red
    we have a few cross bred cows and they seem to have a good calf and calve easy to the blue bulls and seem to milk well enough keep themselves up together and are not to big, we have calved a few Lincoln red calves and they seem to come out ok,
    downside maybe the steers wouldn't sell so well ?

    Simmental
    we have a few crosses and the seem to go well with the blue bull and calve ok, they milk well and are quiet enough, we have calved a few AI simmys and they seem ok though we have had to pull them,
    downside, would hope the steers would sell ok though the last one we sold we were disappointed with, also the only two sim bulls I have had anything to do with turned in to nasty buggers

    Angus
    Cross well with the blue and seem to calve them ok, should be easy calving if we got the right bull, the cross cows we have had seem to milk ok and steer calves should sell well with the named sire
    downside, the calves can be a bit of a handful also the only cow we have ever culled for temperament was an angus but I have dealt with a few angus bulls and they have been fine

    Sheeted Somerset
    a bit of a different idea, we have some heifers coming on they were calved easy and they look OK so far, should milk well, could be a selling point one day?
    downside, mostly unknown, steers may not sell very well

    South Devon
    don't know so much about them, should milk ok ? we have a crossbreed cow and she has a good calf to the blue, we had a twin of calves got by an AI south Devon and they were very quiet and sold well, the ones I have seen have looked good
    downside, could be a bit big ?


    What do other folk think ?
     
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  2. gone up the hill

    Location:
    Devon
    Get a SALER bull without a shadow of a doubt, they are the breed of the future(y)

    The Saler breed is now beating British Blue cattle in the local show rings I am hearing;)
     
  3. I go with the LR, but that's just me.

    Your location lets you down though. LR steer stores sell well at Newark/Melton but maybe not where you are.

    Polled Hereford?
     
  4. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    that's what I was thinking you never see them down here, we only have some because we bought some from one of Clare's friends in Warwickshire, be a long haul to Newark LOL
    Hereford are ok, dependable, no trouble, but not the best IMHO
     
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  5. Henarar

    Henarar Member

    Location:
    ZumerZet Somerset
    never had anything to do with them but don't they have temperament problems ?
    I know someone that used one and soon got rid, I didn't see the cattle though
     
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  6. kill

    kill Member

    Location:
    South West
    Limo had always produced fantastic , saleable cattle for me and mine were always good tempered, but I am sure other people will disagree!!!
    We had a Lincolnshire Red cows years ago and she was a beautiful cow as always friendly and gentle but a dreadful mum as lied on 2 calves over her span here
     
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  7. simmy_bull

    simmy_bull Member

    Location:
    North Yorkshire
    Simmental. Nearly as quiet as a blue. I’ve not had a nasty bull but maybe I’ve been lucky or you’ve been unlucky. Again I only pull odd ones and have generally managed to find easy calvers. Hill country though so cows get moderate silage not rocket fuel off lowland seeds. Cross well with a blue imo.

    Limmys cross extremely well with the blue but the most mental store heifer I ever met was a limx blue. Had several lim store cattle turn very very nasty on me so vowed never to have another lim bull.
     
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  8. tr250

    tr250 Member

    Location:
    Northants
    We have a few salers and have temperament problems with then bleddy things won't move out the way.
     
  9. Old Tip

    Old Tip Member

    Location:
    Cumbria
    Up here you see loads of limmy x blue calves and a fair number of bulls but not that many cows. I guess the milk will be a big problem with the cross as a suck cow.
    Big right up in Simmy mag re a bloke using Sim x Blue cows put back to the Simmy, achieving amazing weight gains and cows are too big and have plenty of milk
    Myself I would go for the Hereford but I’m a sucker for traditional breeds and with the right bull they would be terrific cattle
     
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  10. Beames

    Beames Member

    Location:
    South wales
    When you say Angus calves bit of a handful. What do you mean?
     
  11. Ashtree

    Ashtree Member

    Nought crosses with a blue as good as a limmy!!!
    Large blue herd local uses lim bull on a lot of his cows. Absolutely tremendous cattle.
    Other farmers around who like to breed for show purposes also cross lim to blue to real good effect.
     
  12. M-J-G

    M-J-G Member

    Location:
    Sunny Scotland
    Stabiliser

    I'm told they cross fantastically with everything, but particularly well with a BB
     
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  13. tinsheet

    tinsheet Member

    Location:
    west somerset
    South Devon, maternal cows, lovely and quiet.
    Would be a good cross with a blue!
     
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  14. John Chance

    John Chance Member

    Continental for growth. Salers or Sim for maternal traits and growth. Salers for easy calving, maternal traits and growth.
     
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  15. egbert

    egbert Member

    South Devon, and enjoy easily handled cows that rear growthy youngstock
     
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  16. Purli R

    Purli R Member

    Probably you"ll get another 250 different opinions & still be no wiser!:confused::confused::p:p:D:rolleyes:
     
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  17. Samcowman

    Samcowman Member

    Location:
    Wiltshire
    Angus for me. As you said they work well with the blue and should keep cow size down as well. Couple of the other breeds mentioned will only give bigger cows which isn’t a good thing imo
     
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  18. wellingtonfarmer

    Location:
    Herefordshire
    Got one for sale if you want to try one out. Well bred- selling as keeping all his heifers calves
     
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  19. What about a black limo? The type that look like Angus crosses should be best of both maternal and terminal traits?
     
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  20. Salers.......really?

    From what I gather they are late maturing,keep growing frame.

    With carcass weights coming down do you really need something late maturing?
     

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