This is why the trade is knackered

warksfarmer

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Arable Farmer
👇🏻 when new prices are so high and 12,000 hr tractors are trying to be sold at £39,000.
That tractor for me is virtually worthless. Potential new engine at any point as its been turned up, electric spool blocks, front tyres are finished. Gearbox repair been done but how long before it needs doing again. £10,000 real value 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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fudge

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire.
👇🏻 when new prices are so high and 12,000 hr tractors are trying to be sold at £39,000.
That tractor for me is virtually worthless. Potential new engine at any point as its been turned up, electric spool blocks, front tyres are finished. Gearbox repair been done but how long before it needs doing again. £10,000 real value 🤷🏻‍♂️
The problem is that the value of the work is declining in real terms. Maybe that will change, but for the moment machinery looks very expensive compared to commodity prices, certainly on the arable side. The answer is to use less machinery. As you point out this will "knacker" part of the "trade". Buying machines seems to be an addiction for some, others do with much less new kit. Just saying....

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Dave W

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Location
chesterfield
👇🏻 when new prices are so high and 12,000 hr tractors are trying to be sold at £39,000.
That tractor for me is virtually worthless. Potential new engine at any point as its been turned up, electric spool blocks, front tyres are finished. Gearbox repair been done but how long before it needs doing again. £10,000 real value 🤷🏻‍♂️
I’ve said before. This attitude above baffles me.
that tractor will likely go for export and someone will have a cheap tractor for another 20k hours.
Other countries don’t have the same throw away attitude that we do
 
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warksfarmer

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Arable Farmer
I’ve said before. This attitude above baffles me.
that tractor will likely go for export and someone will have a cheap tractor for about 20k hours.
Other countries don’t have the same throw away attitude that we do

So why’s it being sold?
 
I’ve said before. This attitude above baffles me.
that tractor will likely go for export and someone will have a cheap tractor for about 20k hours.
Other countries don’t have the same throw away attitude that we do

I can't think that many UK/Irish farmers would be willing to part with that kind of money for a tractor with 12,000 hours. It'll go abroad to somewhere where they are very handy and can repair a lot of this stuff themselves. I agree with OP that the potential for a lot of costly repairs is just too high. In Eastern Europe etc you could probably get those same repairs done for a lot less money.

From the perspective of a UK farmer, OP's attitude makes complete sense to me. You spend 40K on a machine but could easily have another 10K+ of repairs on it in short order. Not only that, but these sorts of repairs take days not hours and no serious farmer would want to be without the machine for long periods which could end up costing them big.
 

warksfarmer

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Arable Farmer
Because as you’ve already pointed out people in this country have a throwaway attitude and only want to run shiny new toys

In that situation you’d keep it surely as you know it but to anybody else in the uk theres no value at that price surely. Your just buying trouble.
 

Jezza175

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So realistically, that tractor has been remapped to a 6210R which is the same chassis/engine. Autoquad box is bombproof, probably has been reconned at 10,000 hours because they do get a bit sloppy after a while. No ad-blu either on this one. We've had a 6175R at my old place that done 11,000 hours in 3.5 years and never been touched.

It's like saying cars with 120,000 miles should be scrapped or sold for ÂŁ150 because they might go bang.
 

warksfarmer

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Arable Farmer
No. Id look at that and think I can’t afford £150k but I can afford £38k. Looks cheap well specced hp

wont be cheap by the time youve replaced the engine, spools, front tyres and maybe gearbox. Probably stand you at ÂŁ60,000 for a 12,000 hr tractor. Makes a ex demo much better value.
 
In that situation you’d keep it surely as you know it but to anybody else in the uk theres no value at that price surely. Your just buying trouble.
No they have probably being wittering it must be swapped since it passed 10k but the price of new has been scaring them and eventually took the plunge as they couldn’t bear to run it a minute longer cause the engine might blow. So instead of spending say 10k on an engine they spend another 120k on a new tractor. Buy 3 38k tractors and spend the spare keep up to them
 
So realistically, that tractor has been remapped to a 6210R which is the same chassis/engine. Autoquad box is bombproof, probably has been reconned at 10,000 hours because they do get a bit sloppy after a while. No ad-blu either on this one. We've had a 6175R at my old place that done 11,000 hours in 3.5 years and never been touched.

It's like saying cars with 120,000 miles should be scrapped or sold for ÂŁ150 because they might go bang.
I like to see my motors over 200k
 

Farmer Roy

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
NSW, Newstralya
My main farming tractor
800 ha arable, 2 cropping seasons a year.
I work full time for local Council, so all my farming happens at night, on weekends or on days off. I can’t afford too much downtime, especially in our highly variable climate

300 hp
Powershift
3 pt linkage
PTO
17000 hrs ( or maybe 27000 ? )
32 years old

bought it 2 years ago for $50,000 - about £25000 at the moment - ( cheap HP over here, anyway ) to replace a NH T8040 ( that I bought new, when I was farming / contracting full time ) that I couldn’t afford to repair or replace new

apart from some minor electrical issues & a leaking hydraulic hose, all I’ve done to it is add auto steer . . .
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CharintonFarm

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Arable Farmer
I’ve said before. This attitude above baffles me.
that tractor will likely go for export and someone will have a cheap tractor for about 20k hours.
Other countries don’t have the same throw away attitude that we do
There's the whammy at the moment the pound is strong, so export has dried up a bit
 

Wellytrack

Member
👇🏻 when new prices are so high and 12,000 hr tractors are trying to be sold at £39,000.
That tractor for me is virtually worthless. Potential new engine at any point as its been turned up, electric spool blocks, front tyres are finished. Gearbox repair been done but how long before it needs doing again. £10,000 real value 🤷🏻‍♂️

It’s expensive in your opinion, someone else see’s something worth a gamble that has depreciated by 100k.
 

CharintonFarm

Member
Arable Farmer
Last autumn made me think deeply, to get drilled up ended up bringing a classic out. Ford 6810 dualled all round and 4m carrier drill and carried on where 330 hp and 6m would no longer move. I put over 400 acres in with it, all came well. Weight is our enemy, yet due to dry years our tackle has become obese. with a full drill I was 1.42 tonnes per metre on 16.9/34 and 124/24's dualled up. I did the exercise this spring on my 6m kit and was 3.29t/m
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
we have just traded ur big tractor in, a good year earlier than we normal would.

just had a ÂŁ12,500 bill on it, cab mountings sheared off, just outside of warranty, insurance paid for that. Electrics have been playing up, wouldn't be long before a tyre change. All potential big bill items.

so what do you do ? Luckily dealership supplied a tractor to use, while ours was down. Rightly or wrongly we changed.

but l think it might be the last new tractor we will have, the difference between trade in, and new, is simply to great, if that keeps increasing, we won't be able to justify a change, unless our produce gets a serious price increase.

for many of us, new kit is just to expensive, l am not sure if manufacturers are pricing to dear, or its a true reflection of cost, probably the latter. But while we are forced to buy our inputs at todays prices, we are forced to sell our produce, at 1980's prices.

and it takes some serious thinking to justify a change of any kit. But that is todays farming, food is undervalued, and we are price takers, until that changes, we will struggle.

if the new environmental measures continue, production will fall, with less produce in the home mkt place, prices should rise. Its whether the guv, or the consumer, can allow that to happen, or perhaps they cannot stop them rising.

importing 50% or more, of the UK's food requirements, is not as easy as politicians think it is, once over that 50%, it becomes a sellers mkt, and with the number of potential war zones, around the world, would increase cost of physically shipping it, could be seriously jeopardised.

successive guvs, have done the consumer no favours by keeping food costs low, for so long, a re-alignment is long overdue, and it will hurt.
 

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