This time next month, virus.

We do not live in the dark ages anymore!

The problem is that people like yourself who are very wealthy/ retired are not affected by businesses like pubs/ nightclubs being shut and lockdowns being implemented yet if you were 50 years younger and were affected you would be thinking the total opposite of what you currently do.
So the coming of night clubs is the equivalent of the Enlightenment 😂😂😂
Taking simple precautions, masks, distancing and whatever vaccinations are available is just an easy way to lessen the effects of this virus.
Sadly so many cannot bother to take the smallest of precautions that means the virus can spread so quickly ensuring that the government has to take these sort of steps to protect those idiots who are too f***** lazy or ignorant to get the jab
if staying open in a pandemic is so vital to these businesses why havent they installed big ventilation or air purifying systems, theyve had nearly 2 years to get their act together
 

Jonp

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Gwent
There has never been a successful vaccine for a coronavirus, for the same reason there has never been a vaccine for the common cold, the viruses mutate too fast for any vaccine program to ever keep up, plus the human immune system cannot be reprogrammed for new variants that easily.

This vaccination program is doomed to fail also, badly, it could end up making things worse. We are going to have to do what the human race has done from time immemorial with regards to new respiratory viruses that emerge - let it rip through the population and those with the healthiest immune systems will survive. There is no alternative, however much the pharmaceutical companies tell you if you just take their 29th booster vaccine it'll all be over. The only way its over is to let nature take its course. Eventually it will mutate into something akin to a cold.

For example its now considered that the global flu epidemic of 1889/90 was in fact caused by a coronavirus called OC43, which is still endemic today. Only now if you get it you get a cold, its mutated over the last 130 years from something that killed an estimated 1 million people (out of a global population of 1.5bn) to a mild illness that bothers no-one, other than those at deaths door already. If that episode is anything to go by it would take maybe 5-6 years for covid to mutate into something less virulent and fatal, as there were recurring waves of deaths from 1889 until 1895, presumably by that point the virus either had become far less fatal, or it had killed all the most vulnerable and everyone else had immunity, or a bit of both. Possibly that process could be faster today as global travel means diseases spread much more quickly.
My understanding is that the vaccine won't stop you getting covid but that it would reduce the severity of the illnesses caused by covid. This means less hospitalisation and less death.
Your method of letting it rip would end up with overwhelmed hospitals and unnecessary deaths.
No vaccine is 100% effective.
Vaccines can have bad side effects for a small %age of people.
Do you risk getting covid and find out you're one of the ones with hitherto unknown underlying health issues? Or do you accept the risks and have the jabs?
 

Jackov Altraids

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Devon
There has never been a successful vaccine for a coronavirus, for the same reason there has never been a vaccine for the common cold, the viruses mutate too fast for any vaccine program to ever keep up, plus the human immune system cannot be reprogrammed for new variants that easily.

This vaccination program is doomed to fail also, badly, it could end up making things worse. We are going to have to do what the human race has done from time immemorial with regards to new respiratory viruses that emerge - let it rip through the population and those with the healthiest immune systems will survive. There is no alternative, however much the pharmaceutical companies tell you if you just take their 29th booster vaccine it'll all be over. The only way its over is to let nature take its course. Eventually it will mutate into something akin to a cold.

For example its now considered that the global flu epidemic of 1889/90 was in fact caused by a coronavirus called OC43, which is still endemic today. Only now if you get it you get a cold, its mutated over the last 130 years from something that killed an estimated 1 million people (out of a global population of 1.5bn) to a mild illness that bothers no-one, other than those at deaths door already. If that episode is anything to go by it would take maybe 5-6 years for covid to mutate into something less virulent and fatal, as there were recurring waves of deaths from 1889 until 1895, presumably by that point the virus either had become far less fatal, or it had killed all the most vulnerable and everyone else had immunity, or a bit of both. Possibly that process could be faster today as global travel means diseases spread much more quickly.
Unfortunately, this might not be the case for some covid variants.

It has often been the case that viruses with high fatalities extinguish themselves quite quickly by removing the ability to transmit itself.

The trouble with covid and omicron is that it is infectious and transmissible for rather a long time before there are symptoms or serious illness. If it should become more dangerous, there will be little limit to it's spread without serious measures to control interactions of the general population.

Apparently, the total number of available emergency beds across south west England is in single figures. Hopefully omicron isn't too problematic. If it is, it is going to get bad.
 

unlacedgecko

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
My understanding is that the vaccine won't stop you getting covid but that it would reduce the severity of the illnesses caused by covid. This means less hospitalisation and less death.
Your method of letting it rip would end up with overwhelmed hospitals and unnecessary deaths.
No vaccine is 100% effective.
Vaccines can have bad side effects for a small %age of people.
Do you risk getting covid and find out you're one of the ones with hitherto unknown underlying health issues? Or do you accept the risks and have the jabs?
I’m not vaccinated. I’ll roll the dice with COVID rather than have the vaccine.
 

Daddy Pig

Member
Location
dorset
How did people manage without night clubs for all of millennia until the last 20 years?
To suggest they are invaluable to society is ludicrous
You could say the same about electricity and running water, just beacuse people didn't have them a couple of hundred years ago.
 

Daddy Pig

Member
Location
dorset
I still , whenever i am in town, or about to enter a place where there will be more than a handful of people, rub some antiseptic gel on my hands
and give my nose/face a wipe before getting out of the car. Stick with the basics - and you cannot go wrong.
Sadly you can, people tend to take more risks if they think something is going to protect them.Airbags in cars is another example.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Shocking that you think it so funny that people who own/work in nightclubs etc may lose their businesses/ jobs/ home etc.

As for the jab, take a look at Devon Live, two news articles on there in the last week alone of two inquests of people who died as a direct result of having the covid jabs! and both were young and healthy before having the jabs, one is a young mother who leaves 3 kids!

And you say people who do not want the jab are lazy or ignorant!!
 

Pigken

Member
Location
Co. Durham
After the cluster of first lockdown and then this jan to Mar it will be a bloody disaster for the kids. Took us months to get our 9yr old back on track and trying to work at the same time As coordinating 9+hrs of kids zoom lessons a day is a none starter.
Yes home schooling was testing and very detrimental to children s education. From what cherubs have said not a lot of folk did much home schooling, which going forward has made teachers jobs more difficult as vast differences in where pupils are at has occurred. Fingers crossed for their education.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Yes home schooling was testing and very detrimental to children s education. From what cherubs have said not a lot of folk did much home schooling, which going forward has made teachers jobs more difficult as vast differences in where pupils are at has occurred. Fingers crossed for their education.
Had a week of home schooling last week after a positive PCR.

Straight into it. No issues, happy to buckle down and crack on.

New skill learnt and honed in previous lockdown.
 
The thing is pubs/clubs and nightclubs are not essential. Big concert in Glasgow on Sunday night,Deacon Blue playing the SECC 15000 attending , Cup final in Hampden on Saturday,10s of thousands there but we are limited to maximum of three households mixing. There is some seriously mixed up thinking going on.
Yes, spot on. My 12 year old son's rugby games have been cancelled the last couple of weeks as contact sports for young people shut down as a precaution. Meanwhile, at Hampden Park...

Sensible precautions, yes, but they must realise that there is more to health and wellbeing than Covid. And a bit of consistency would be nice
 

Pigken

Member
Location
Co. Durham
So the coming of night clubs is the equivalent of the Enlightenment 😂😂😂
Taking simple precautions, masks, distancing and whatever vaccinations are available is just an easy way to lessen the effects of this virus.
Sadly so many cannot bother to take the smallest of precautions that means the virus can spread so quickly ensuring that the government has to take these sort of steps to protect those idiots who are too f***** lazy or ignorant to get the jab
I feel that your last couple of lines are very unfair and unjustified,and a blinkered stereotype of certain sectors of society.
People I know have many different reasons for not getting an unknown unproven vaccine/booster.
On farm survey of 5 people yesterday, 2 have had 2 jabs. 3 have had no jabs and no desire to for various reasons. None of 5 are known to have had Kong flu, but all feel think that at one time or another they may have or have had good opportunities to catch from infected people. 2 that have had jab, do not see understand why booster should be necessary, and unless forced further by powers that be will not be having it.
But icing comes from higher up as audit took place yesterday and boss man although wearing mask, announced at end how he did not feel well and had not for few days.
I suppose you can sit in your bubble safe in the knowledge that your crown will not slip and trip you up. We all have one life to live and should live it as we individually see fit.
I will not call you silly or any the other as you have followed suit and become a potential pin cushion.
 

AJ123

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
South east
Utter rubbish, Nearly ALL studies show masks do not work!

And if masks did work then why has Scotland and Wales had such high case numbers all summer when it was law you had to wear a mask?? whilst in Britain you did not have to wear a mask and case numbers dropped dramatically!

Mask wearing is all about making scared people like you feel safe and to keep the covid narrative in the minds of everyone each and every day! its all about population control ref wearing masks, even the UK Gov admitted that in the summer!
Population control ? That would be compulsory wearing of condoms wouldn’t it?
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Well the governments approach is working! My 22 year old daughter is coming back from London tonight early. She says her friends and associates are falling down like flies with Covid. All getting positive PCR results. And feeling a bit poorly for a couple of days with a runny nose. But she is petrified of Covid. Had the original two jabs and managed to get a Booster at The Oval earlier in the week. Well done Sajid and Whitty.
 

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