Thoughts on loosing BPS and replacing with ELMS?

[Wombat]

brave decision relying on all your income from Defra to be paid on time

Exactly it’s a struggle to get bps out of them in dec

 

[DRC]

Exactly it’s a struggle to get bps out of them in dec

To be fair we’ve always had that on time, it’s the environment stuff they change the rules and payment dates.
later years of a HLS agreement , you didn’t know when it was coming

 

[Wombat]

To be fair we’ve always had that on time, it’s the environment stuff they change the rules and payment dates.
later years of a HLS agreement , you didn’t know when it was coming

Last year was the first year we have ever had it on 1st Dec so considering they could never get us the main payment on time I wasn’t signing up to one they can chop and change as they please.

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

Diversification should not be used to subsidise your farming.

Why not ?

 

[Timbo]

Diversification should not be used to subsidise your farming.

I totally agree. Just like radweld.

 

[Timbo]

I think it's critical going forwards that people define their farming as business full/part time or hobby so it can be managed effectively. If it's a business either full or part time it needs to pay an adequate wage and provide a return on investment. If it's a hobby then it's done for enjoyment and will probably cost money, break even or involve working without remuneration and this changes the decision making process significantly. Ideally you should have a budget for a hobby and of course the 'work' is optional, you should only be doing it if you enjoy it.

100%

 

[alomy75]

Main dealer repairs are now unaffordable to us. I do most myself as a result and stick to machinery with limited computerisation.

I had a good natter to a manager in our local dealership when collecting parts last week. He's quite concerned that changes in agriculture will devastate new machinery sales in the coming decade and I think he may be right.

I think it’s already happening. Very few bargains at farm sales anymore; plenty of decent kit available up to 20 years old which will do the job arguably as good as something brand new and probably more reliably (tractors/combines wise) and even when they do go wrong; it’s usually nothing too serious. All available at a fraction of new, although now a bigger fraction.

 

[No wot]

Christ were not in 1960's east germany are we?

We now live in an era where we have to be very careful who we say what to , anyone can report you if they feel they are offended , you can then expect a visit from the police to realign you thought process towards WOKE thought , we are being controlled by fear , ok it doesn't come with brutality and murder but the fear of looking over your shoulder is here and now , ( previous tried and tested in 1930's/40's Europe and more recently Eastern Europe)☹☹☹☹

 

[YorkshireTom25]

Installing some form of renewable energy might be your best bet fit diversification. I can’t imagine you have a lot of time to give with the pigs there.

Your right! We were approached for solar panels and last minute they backed out saying that the available grid space had been taken

 

[YorkshireAndrew]

Come December there’ll be quite a few farming folks wishing they hadn’t voted to leave the EU when they receive their remittance advice from Defra .

 

[Tubbylew]

ok it doesn't come with brutality and murder

Yet.

I hope it dosen't get to that....

 

[neilo]

I think high payment rates (£1000/ha+), which would earn more than cropping / stocking 10 meter buffers on all water courses/ponds/ditches/rivers and hedges trees, and possibly houses? would be a win for everyone. Keep pesticides, fertilizer, muck etc well away from these areas. Money to cover permanent fencing off for livestock if required, and then let farmers crop or stock the rest of the field (arable or pasture) as they see fit. Easy to do, job done.

Like a lot in the West of the UK, my average field size is 6ac, mostly bounded on all sides by hedges. A 10m margin round all fields, would take half my farm out of production, and a tidy income at £1000/ha.

I guess the dog shite would be evenly spread at least, with all the new fenced off corridors to use as dog latrines.

 

[steveR]

Like a lot in the West of the UK, my average field size is 6ac, mostly bounded on all sides by hedges. A 10m margin round all fields, would take half my farm out of production, and a tidy income at £1000/ha.

I guess the dog shite would be evenly spread at least, with all the new fenced off corridors to use as dog latrines.

Win Win, especially with HV electric fencing to corral said dogs!

 

[Mixedupfarmer]

Like a lot in the West of the UK, my average field size is 6ac, mostly bounded on all sides by hedges. A 10m margin round all fields, would take half my farm out of production, and a tidy income at £1000/ha.

I guess the dog shite would be evenly spread at least, with all the new fenced off corridors to use as dog latrines.

A public good!

 

[teslacoils]

Why sit at home farm driving a digger for pennies, when we can use the same skills on a building site for £££?

Time to really hit the farming pause button I think.

 

[Harper_FLAM]

Think it’s all on the GOV.uk we

AHDB has an online calculator - https://ahdb.org.uk/farm-business-review/bps-impact-calculator. All you need to do is enter your 2020 BPS payment and in a matter of seconds, you'll have the result.

 

[Harper_FLAM]

Eleanor Parker is an MSc student at Harper Adams University, currently undertaking a Masters research project jointly with AHDB (https://www.harper-adams.ac.uk/research/project/1294/ahdb-sustainable-farming-incentive-project). The project looks at how farmers are adapting or planning for changes ahead in agricultural policy in England and farmers’ views on the impact of the new schemes that are being rolled out. At this stage, the project is seeking participants for interviews of no more than 60 minutes via phone or Zoom. As a token of appreciation for the time spent on the interview, an Amazon voucher of £25 will be offered/emailed to the participant after the interview.

If you are going to take part in the SFI pilot this autumn, are you willing to be interviewed?

If yes, please email Eleanor Parker [email protected] directly to participate. Thank you.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Eleanor Parker is an MSc student at Harper Adams University, currently undertaking a Masters research project jointly with AHDB (https://www.harper-adams.ac.uk/research/project/1294/ahdb-sustainable-farming-incentive-project). The project looks at how farmers are adapting or planning for changes ahead in agricultural policy in England and farmers’ views on the impact of the new schemes that are being rolled out. At this stage, the project is seeking participants for interviews of no more than 60 minutes via phone or Zoom. As a token of appreciation for the time spent on the interview, an Amazon voucher of £25 will be offered/emailed to the participant after the interview.

If you are going to take part in the SFI pilot this autumn, are you willing to be interviewed?

If yes, please email Eleanor Parker [email protected] directly to participate. Thank you.

That will be what I was called for yesterday afternoon. I asked how they'd got my details, purely out of interest, and whether it was linked to me being an alumni. I was told they'd been given them by DEFRA.

 

[Fourofakind]

Interesting that no one has mentioned land prices in this thread (unless I have missed it - apologies if I have). Will there be an effect on agricultural land prices?

In theory, the demise of the subsidy that keeps over 50% of farmers in profit should surely result in a decrease in their main asset.

In reality, will there be enough buyers without funds from outside of agriculture to buy the better ground and perhaps the marginal ground will see a decrease?

As tenants, we certainly aren't expecting to pick up a nice farm with a house and a couple of buildings at the local car boot! Although it would be nice!

 

[BrianV]

This ELMS lark is a complete load of bullsh!t that should be totally ignored, all the governments high handed talk of carbon neutral by any date is totally dependent on UK farmers signing up to this farce, it is only the UK farmers that can make any positive contribution to the planet as they are now in fact already doing.
Big business like BA, so called green energy suppliers & all the other charlatans buy a couple of hundred acres plant a few thousand tree & hey presto magically they are carbon neutral, what about the other 99.999 per cent of UK land that we farm, how come we are not carbon neutral with virtually all of the UK being farmed.
I notice this morning Bozo has bunged the doctors on £100,000 a year plus another £250 million do do the job they are already paid to do for three or if you're lucky 4 days a week, these people have not invested £100s of thousands of pounds setting up their business, they do not work 7 days a week to keep the country fed & yet a quarter of a billion £s can be found just like that!
As I say farmers should tell the government in no uncertain terms that unless farmers get a fair deal they should shove their ELMS somewhere where it hurts!