Timber framed house

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
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somerset
Timber Frame are generally 100% softwood. At ground level we ensure no timber is in contact with concrete and have extensive DPM’s and DPC’s to help with this.

The external skin can be anything you choose... brick, render, stone, timber, metal or a combination.
a 'trick' for further savings. We have our own stone, as I expect many other farmers have, whether from an old building, or dug from the ground. Our builder said to make an allowance for 9 ins of stone cladding, rather than the normal 6ins, requires less 'trimming' and quicker, and easier to lay, if buying ready stone, 6ins is the way.
 
It’s standard building practice in Scotland. Timber kit then brick outer. We built a new build in 2017 with a kit which the joiners made on site as they went along. It was easy to make alterations etc when building. There are lots of companies making kits - Scotframe etc or you can get full SIP panels suck as Hofhouse (not spelt right).




Hufhaus are a German company. Lovely product but only one style of house available. They also charge like a wounded bull!
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Hufhaus are a German company. Lovely product but only one style of house available. They also charge like a wounded bull!
we got on the internet and searched for timber framed buildings, 100's of makers, chatting to another builder, suggested talk to a local timber firm. making sheds, stables, garages etc, and known to be expensive, and suppliers to 'high end market', I did, they quoted, and they made it ! So well worth looking local. We have got p/p for a big log cabin, just can't afford to build it yet, as we rent, no-one will lend, even though the end value, is assured. But having seen ours from start to finish, for any handy man could build one, you just need to have the confidence. Incidently we have some timber framed farm buildings, first one 60x40 bought in kit form, the rest built and designed by us, not difficult, and they have all stayed up !!!!!
 
we got on the internet and searched for timber framed buildings, 100's of makers, chatting to another builder, suggested talk to a local timber firm. making sheds, stables, garages etc, and known to be expensive, and suppliers to 'high end market', I did, they quoted, and they made it ! So well worth looking local. We have got p/p for a big log cabin, just can't afford to build it yet, as we rent, no-one will lend, even though the end value, is assured. But having seen ours from start to finish, for any handy man could build one, you just need to have the confidence. Incidently we have some timber framed farm buildings, first one 60x40 bought in kit form, the rest built and designed by us, not difficult, and they have all stayed up !!!!!

Plenty of companies out there, but precious few who understand the intricacies of the self build and one off market.

Most are set up to supply to larger developers and housing associations and use self build as a filler when their factories are quiet.

With those big developments they can afford to use the 1st few houses as a test for the logistics of the site and their engineering schemes. Can’t do that with the self build market.

Sounds like your handy man is more than just a handy man. I wouldn’t trust anyone other than a time served site carpenter to put up a frame, let alone sole plates, intermediate floors and roof trusses.

Also, assuming it’s a full blown house that’s being built, there is a huge amount of engineering and panel design required that needs signing off by warranty company and building control. Also SAP calcs, setting out plans, fire mitigation, scaffold plans, crane lift schedules...... It’s a minefield.
 

Chris F

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Location
Hammerwich
We got planning for a Hufhaus in Kent and I couldn't believe the cost! Quality product and customer service but geez it was expensive!

They are a thing of beauty, but when I got a price on a Hufhaus, I decided to go metal barn route. Although can't get planning at the moment. So put on hold for a few years for the council to catch up.
 

2wheels

Member
Location
aberdeenshire
a 'trick' for further savings. We have our own stone, as I expect many other farmers have, whether from an old building, or dug from the ground. Our builder said to make an allowance for 9 ins of stone cladding, rather than the normal 6ins, requires less 'trimming' and quicker, and easier to lay, if buying ready stone, 6ins is the way.
9"/6"? ours and the rest around here have 4" ( 100mm) concrete block on the outside.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
9"/6"? ours and the rest around here have 4" ( 100mm) concrete block on the outside.
we had to have stone for p/p, and we have old quarries, the stone we used, was part of a wall through one, undressed stone, builder knows the stone, and told us to go for 9'', as easier and quicker to lay, who am I to argue ? But he made a really nice job, and layed it quicker than the 4'' blocks, on the ends. Made no difference to us, as we weren't paying for it, what did annoy me, there is a parish highway ends, stone marker near the quarry, been buried for years, thought it would be nice to incorporate it in the building, searched for over an hour, and couldn't find it, lost for ever now, i'm one of the very few people left, who knows about it.
 

leg12

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It’s standard building practice in Scotland. Timber kit then brick outer. We built a new build in 2017 with a kit which the joiners made on site as they went along. It was easy to make alterations etc when building. There are lots of companies making kits - Scotframe etc or you can get full SIP panels suck as Hofhouse (not spelt right).

We are looking for quotes for a mobile building? :)
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
I would advise anyone thinking of building with a timber frame, NOT to look at the huge building sites, using this method, a proper timber framed house, which I hope we are talking about, everything is more solid, 6x2 inch timbers, not the 4x2 used en masse, how long they will last ? A friend, who helped a removal firm, at times, help a move to a flat in London, while manoevering the 3 piece in, he tripped, and went straight through the wall, into next door flat, the dividing wall, consisted of a sheet of plasterboard each side, with a 3x2 surround, no insulation, no 'crossing' timbers just a single length of 3x2, between each sheet, and for those that doubt, I have seen the photo's.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Needs to be 6x2 kit to allow for insulation & service gap
should be, who checks ? definitely 3x2, all in the race for greater profit. The speed these houses go up, inspectors wouldn't be able to check everything. Building site close, walls come in sections, brick lined the lot, put on side of frame, and fixed, chimneys premade, window sections, drive by one day, 2 days later houses are up, how long will they last ?
 

2wheels

Member
Location
aberdeenshire
I would advise anyone thinking of building with a timber frame, NOT to look at the huge building sites, using this method, a proper timber framed house, which I hope we are talking about, everything is more solid, 6x2 inch timbers, not the 4x2 used en masse, how long they will last ? A friend, who helped a removal firm, at times, help a move to a flat in London, while manoevering the 3 piece in, he tripped, and went straight through the wall, into next door flat, the dividing wall, consisted of a sheet of plasterboard each side, with a 3x2 surround, no insulation, no 'crossing' timbers just a single length of 3x2, between each sheet, and for those that doubt, I have seen the photo's.
fire regs obviously being ignored, sue builder if he hasn't gone bust.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
fire regs obviously being ignored, sue builder if he hasn't gone bust.
gov is so desperate for new houses, blind eye to corners being cut ? Drains, foundations, and external, are the important bits, internal walls ? When we renovated our house, internal walls were 1/2'' planking, covered with wall paper, house roughly 150 years old, and still solid, some of the new houses wont last that long ! Friends son, took up an option on a new house, deposit held by his solicitor, august 1st, moving day, just before xmas, when finally getting close, fittings chosen etc, went to have a look, water running out of toilet, shower, bath, flowing down the stairs, and through the roof, and they were assy he backed out, where was building control there ?
 

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